No one is arguing a GDKP ban won’t hurt bots. Of course it will. The argument is it’s an extremely heavy-handed solution that sets a bad precedent.
Literally the same line of logic behind banning GDKP’s can be extended to banning the auction house.
What’s the difference between 10 people auctioning off BOP items vs 100,000 auctioning off BOEs? Nothing but scale.
“Oh no that’s crazy, AH is at the core of WoW”.
Yes, I’m not naive. The AH being banned is about as likely as Blizzard investing in REAL solutions to fight bots (instead of band-aids).
The point is it’s a crazy precedent that players can get banned for essentially creating an auction.
Note: I started playing WoW when I was 8, back in BC. Played on and off, never too seriously. Never raided in retail outside of Pugs even. Recently got into SoD, loved it, and been in my first GDKPs. I think I’ve been in a total of 3 GDKPs- and maybe like 8 pugs. I’m not a sweat, but I do hate wasting time. BFD is so easy, so grouping with people that have no idea what to do is frustrating. All 3 GDKPs I’ve been in went extremely smoothly in terms of the fights and the maturity of everyone, about half the pugs as well, with the other half of pugs being headaches. I know it’s not a big sample size, but it’s my experience. I never cared enough to post on here, until I saw 90% of this community rallying behind an extremely lazy decision by Blizzard. Everyone loves to complain about how lazy Blizzard is with it’s customer support and bot detection. But everyone’s flipped now? Where’s the consistency? I’m really just writing because I’m confused about where the vitriol is coming from for guilds that want to GDKP. Instead of attacking or mocking me, can anyone explain why this is a solid solution to RMT? I see no issue with banning GDKP advertising in trade chat - that can get annoying (but then be consistent and ban boosting, and teleports too).
P.S. After seeing Bergelmir’s takes about GDKP on here, I was convinced I wanted to join his guild. Posting your unpopular opinion can help you find people in your own echo chamber;)
Plenty of people complain that WoW is “bot infested”. But Blizzard posts the number of banned accounts and the number is quite large. Blizzard is working to tackle the problem but the number of bots is extremely high. A lot of the posters here say ‘why doesn’t blizzard just ban botting’ like they aren’t already trying to do that, or that they know of all the bot accounts but just aren’t taking action.
If they are already doing their best and it’s not good enough, they probably had internal discussions and concluded they needed to tackle the problem through another avenue, hence GDKP ban. The botting problem is really not that easy to solve as posters think it is. Just look at how many accounts they banned. It’s a large number.
This seriously sums up the argument against GDKP - Completely void of any logic and substance.
Of course the item of banning GDKP to stop RMT can be extended to any player-to-player gold transaction. If you’re going to ban GDKP, why not ban gold trading and the AH. It would stop RMT completely. This is a reasonable argument, supported with logic.
Your upcoming response “No it isn’t” - further proves the argument.
Remember folks on opposite sides of this argument. If we met in RL and were discussing wow over lunch, we’d have some much in common it would be an awesome meeting. This argument is turning folks with 99% common interest into mortal enemies.
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Hector is going to be running three Honda civics with spoon engines, and on top of that, he just went into Harry’s and bought three t66 turbos with nos, and a motec exhaust system
I’m not so sure about that. Let me explain with an example.
Not too long ago in real life I actually talked with a flat Earther. A person 100% convinced that the Earth is flat. Nothing I said mattered. No amount of evidence mattered. No data from Nasa mattered. The basic laws of physics didn’t matter. People convince themselves of things and…that’s that. They will never change their minds.
I see people here defending GDKPs with ‘it doesn’t create RMT’. ‘It doesn’t impact you if you don’t participate’. When they can’t even acknowledge the most basic fundamental facts, what common ground is there? I’m not going to waste my time trying to have any kind of rational discussion. I’m here for entertainment.
So they can continue to repeat the same nonsense over and over. They can make daily threads with different alts every day, hammering the same illogical, irrational, disproven arguments. It means nothing to me. They’re wrong.
Not sure how to prove this isn’t an ‘alt’, but even if I could I see it wouldn’t matter.
I even said in the post please attack my logic, so far you haven’t.
Most normal-functioning members of society get nothing from posting in WoW threads. That’s why I have no activity here. (Maybe my retail main Stabula on Tortheldrin does). I’m here to get answers about something that doesn’t make sense. If most people are seeing things one way, and I see them the opposite, maybe I’m wrong. So I just want to hear a logical argument about why banning GDKP is a real solution and not a lazy band-aid. And if you’re only here to derail conversations and insult people, find God.
do you not realize you’re describing yourself here? do you really not see that? come on dude, ive listed irrefutable evidence to many of your lies on this forum and you ignore it
I’ve been reading some other threads - I’m getting a deeper understanding on why GDKP bans are useful.
GDKPs sort of act as a way for RMTs to launder their gold into the WoW ecosystem. 9 players could be honest, but if 1 person is a gold-buyer then that influx of gold is going to be spread out over those 9 players, and those 9 players will bid up prices on the AH (inflation). Now instead of that RMTer causing inflation alone - it’s the RMTer as well as everyone he’s been in a GDKP with.
So banning GDKP is sort of like countries banning casinos because they can be used to launder money. That’s fair.
Of course, Blizzard investing in amazing developers to create super sophisticated programs that detect the very subtle art of fly-hacking is too much to ask for, so this blanket ban is the go-to alternative.
Note - I don’t see enough justification with the other argument that the GDKP ban was because of ‘erosion of the traditional guild structure’, so I’m just addressing the fact that the ban is to reduce RMT and p2w.
I mean, you just said it yourself. The best gear in this game is almost always BoP. BoE items are sprinkled in here or there but for the most part you need a raid group to get the good stuff.
Ding ding. It’s also reported that this gold laundering method makes it harder to detect gold sellers because they will say in-game that the gold is their cut from a GDKP.
How do you tell what’s a gold sale and what’s actually a GDKP cut? They could have raided on another character, or another account. It’s almost impossible to know for sure. So by banning this commomly used laundering method, it makes it much easier to ban the RMTers who have been hiding behind GDKPs this entire time.
Just wait. With GDKPs banned you are now going to see more threads than ever asking for guild banks. Do you know why? Yep, guild banks are another well known gold laundering method used by gold sellers.
Well, if your idea is you’re not going to waste your time having a rational discussion, then the appearance is that there is no rational reason for banning GDKP while not banning RMT. I believe that’s the case.
The argument is so simple: Enforce the ban on RMT and botting, and leave loot and the methods/reason for exchanging legitimately earned gold to the players. That’s it. I have yet to see a rational explanation for why Blizzard is citing RMT as one of the drivers for banning GDKP while taking the stance that even admitted gold buyers will not be banned.
I’m do believe that GDKPs are incenting some people to buy gold. But reaching 40 and needing to buy a mount will incent some people to buy gold, not wanting to farm and instead wanting to buy profession mats or consumables on the AH will incent some people to buy gold, wanting to buy BOE gear off the AH will incent some people to buy gold, wanting to buy boosts, and summons and ports from other players will incent some people to buy gold. The solution can not be to ban some reasons players want to exchange gold, instead of enforcing the ban on RMT – It makes no sense at all.