History is not repeating itself with Classic. The Population is not going from whatever it is gaining more people. Trying to use the old growth over from classic to TBC to justify new Servers now is a joke.
To say they couldnt add One server at all is absurd the cost is nearly nothing to them. Yet thats the place we find ourselves a month after launch. I refer to my previous statment where i would not say the population of TBCC is growing if at all. If anything blizzard is driving people away with how they have handled many of the problems with the population and pvp.
So declning pops and bad decsions making on top of most players being established creates a weal argument to get new servers for TBC, as much as i think they should have made them.
population for tbcc has been declining prior to the release. as soon as they showed they was adding the boost (boost really donât bother me). people started leaving. saying âwe already have retailâ. now more and more changes to the game people love making more quit. i agree the pvp situation is way out of control and caused more to quit.
i belive a fresh server with No QoL changes is exactly what people want and will come back for. start with a pve. at least till they fix the pvp issue
there is 10 (on east) pvp server low population. means blizzard expected a good amount of pvp players. they are dead because people like to over populate there fraction for power. so just got 10 server that need to be combined or merged. No body is moving there. especially now with the HvH. really why move now?. so they already waisting money on severs.
So open a fresh No change server and see how much fresh is wanted
Pretty much this exactly. I even bit the bullet and tried a boost. I WANT to like this game. I really do. But itâs a miserable experience. The boost is horrid for new players. You have crap gear, no professions, no gold, a slow mount. And youâre still way behind everyone else. The economy is broken. AndâŚI miss questing in Azeroth. Of course you can just do that anyway, but the world is emptyâŚthanks to the boost. I miss grouping with people and doing quests, making friends, running dungeons along the way.
People say it as a joke somewhat, but itâs true: theyâve turned TBCC into Retail. No one cares about the journey or the experience. The community means nothing. Itâs just min/maxing of everything and complaining about every little perceived imbalance.
Fresh is really the only way to salvage Classic as an authentic experience. Obviously no boost, transfers, mount, pet. And I feel like the community will just naturally be better since a certain type of player would be attracted to a fresh âpristineâ server at this point. Itâs at the very least worth a shot. TBCC seems to be bleeding players and itâs only going to get worse. I know Iâm done and I only made it to 59. But itâs not fun. It just feels like Iâm playing Retail. I know a LOT of people who want to start fresh and experience the journey again. The journey IS the game to a lot of us. Blizz just needs to make it happen.
A very well written response and I can totally empathize with it. My wife and I are leveling in the game right now and we do find other people from time to time, but it does appear that the vast majority are already in Outland and have completed most of the content out there. We are the only two in our guild who are leveling low-level characters in the game at the moment.
I do wonder just how many âold-schoolâ RPGâers are left who still play TBC Classic (Retail). It appears to me that the reason Blizzard has altered the game so much to appeal to the min/max crowd and Retail tourists is due to the fact that there are far more of them than there are of us playing this game. Not to mention the fact that they will throw far more money at the cash shop than we will for boosts, character services, etc.
It would be interesting to actually see some numbers on it but I have a feeling that the vast majority of old-school players have moved on to other games where the journey is still just as valued as the end-game. I just donât think a lot of people still feel that way who play WoW these days. Starting some new servers would be some indication to be sure as I highly doubt the min/max and Retail tourist crowds would want to start over again since they only really value the end-game.
At the end of the day though I feel that we are only a really small minority of players these days and Activision/Blizzardâs decisions are all based around monetization and profit margins. And if more people are willing to pay to skip the majority of the game content and just want to focus and play at the end-game rather than experience the journey, then Activision/Blizzard are OK with that even if it means that much of the TBC Classic (Retail) content is never experienced by most people and the min/max crowd and Retail tourists all burn through the end-game content in a month or so.
"Gameplay First" just no longer appears to apply to TBC Classic (Retail).
Sadly, this might be the truth. Maybe Blizzard looked at the data and figured not enough of the âold schoolâ mmo players returned to warrant trying to craft the game around them. So they just attract Retail players with the boost and bleed them dry with cash shop and micro-transactions. The game suffers, obviously. But theyâre raking it in.
Still, Iâd play if they made a fresh server. In the meantime Iâll go give FF14 a shot. That game is apparently blowing up. Theyâve disabled being able to make new characters on almost every server since thereâs so many new players. But hopefully I can find one that lets me make one.
Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn is a very good MMORPG. My wife and I played it for about half a year and the only turn off we had was the story mode incorporated into the final dungeons and raids of the first story tier. But Square-Enix has learned from that and it is no longer an issue with the latter expansions. I particularly love their job system that allows you to switch your role with just one character. We have been talking about returning to it once we have completed all of our quests in TBC Classic (Retail) as we figure by the time we reach Outland, all of the min/max crowd and Retail tourists will have completed all the end-game content and we donât foresee there being that many people to do the final raids and dungeons with.
Personally, we are keeping tabs on Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen as that appears to be a game made by RPGâers for RPGâers. I will let all the Facebook Gamers keep World of Warcraft.
there is no downside, cant be any worse than they are now
fresh now will be more of a good test run for the seasonal servers option 1 year resets -NO QoL Changes- boost/transfers to see how many interested. (classic or bcc)
we are already in Classic+ beta. still people leaving over changes.
i believe a fresh server with No QoL changes is exactly what people want and will come back for .
I donât even log into WoW anymore. Just randomly check to see if thereâs fresh servers. Sadly as so many have unsubbed, their voices are silenced so perhaps Blizz gets the impression the desire for Fresh has dwindled. It hasnât. The people are just waiting, even if theyâre no longer playing.
I just started FF14 last week and I am LOVING it. The main questline can be a bit of a slog sometimes but I hear it picks up later. The crafting/gathering is super fun and I love that you can be anything/everything on just one character. Not that you canât have alts, but at this point in time I donât ever see a reason that Iâd want one. Iâm just having a blast developing my little potato girl.
The story gets great once you near A Realm Reborn. Remember, they had to nuke everything in 1.0 and start it all over again. So theyâre working with what they have. Heavensward is <3 <3 and the zones/music is gorgeous.
I mean it would take hundreds and hundreds of hours to max out EVERY job from what I can tell, so youâd still be best to make a choice. But what I like is, if I level to 20 and decide itâs not the class for me, I can try out another one without losing all the progress Iâve made, i.e. I donât have to go through the whole campaign again.
Not to mention thereâs still the matter of gearing up whichever class is your favorite. But without getting into too much detail, there are benefits to having crafting on your character such as for âenchantingâ your gear. If you had to reroll a new toon to try a different class, then youâd either have to level this up again or else try and find another person that can do it for you.
Nothing is stopping you from making alts in this game. Itâs just that you donât have to make an alt to try your hand at a different class.
FYI there are 18 different âclassesâ you can choose from at the moment, so good luck playing all of them. Thatâs not including the crafting jobs.
Well with choices come consequences. As said im sure im in the minority here. I just never understood how not having to committ to anything makes a game better? Its part of why I dislike FFXIV on paper already. The fact that I apparently donât have to make a choice.
And its not about that I want to play em all or anything. I just do not see the appeal of having one character that is a mage but kinda isnât whenever i feel like it.
If i lvl a toon in WoW and I make a druid I am a druid. I know what I am getting at and if i hate it by lvl 20 well tough luck. I decided to try it. It would be weird to morph the same character into a lvl 20 warrior and then go from there.
But as said, a lot of ppl enjoy this. A lot of ppl also enjoy collecting mounts and whatnot or achievement hunting. I always felt like that was unnecessary blah blah.
All classes start at level 1 (minus expansion level starts) and have their own EXP. You canât repeat quests youâve already done but you still have to level it and do their own class story line quests.
Yea then why not make a fresh toon? Maybe try a different race? I know I can, but just saying, most ppl wonât. I guess there is just too many small perks of keeping your maintoon.
I finally got some time to try out FF14. First impressions are very good. Not going to go into a whole thing (this isnât the place), but I will say this: Iâve tried pretty much every mmo of the past dozen years and one category WoW has always crushed them all was in the level of polish. But FF14 has that polish. In fact, in some areas itâs more polished than WoW. The community so far has been quite nice as well. I can definitely see myself putting a lot of hours into the game.
Still, Iâd come back to WoW if they release a fresh serverâŚwith no transfers or boosts. None of that Deluxe Edition crap. But thatâs the only way Iâd play this game again. The Retail version is just beyond repair. And the Classic version theyâve started running just like Retail.
I donât get why this is a problem for you but to each their own. How are you LESS invested in one character that can be multiple things than you are in 10 different characters? Shouldnât it be the other way around? AlsoâŚif you want to make a choice, make a choice for yourself. Simply because no one is FORCING you to make a choice makes it inconsequential for you? Thatâs some really backwards logic.
You can still reroll characters if you please. No one is stopping you. Perhaps you want a different race aesthetic for a specific class. Go for it. Give yourself your own personal restriction of YOU have to reroll a new toon every time you want to try out a new class. I donât understand why this is an issue. But honestly idc whether or not you play FFXIV it makes no difference to me. That logic is flawed tho.
