A few questions about Retail

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I am playing SOD and I played Classic but even if I like that version of the game there are many things that I would like to see if they are better in retail:

  1. Are BG premades banned? this is the main reason I unsubbed from WOW in Classic and it’s looking like I would have to do the same in SOD.
  2. Are arenas requiered to gear for PVP? Is there still gear gated behind rating like in WOTLK? Because I absolutely despise that.
  3. Am I forced to do PVE to do PVP? is it finally the case that the best gear for PVP is farmed doing PVP?
  4. Will I be forced to Raid at all?, the only PVE content I enjoy is dungeons, I despise Raiding and that the best gear comes from Raids.

Can someone answer me this 4 points to see if it’s worth trying Retail?

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No, play with your friends if you want to.

the good set of pvp gear comes from conquest, and arenas are the best way to get conquest.

No.
PvP gear is better in PvP, PvE gear is better in PvE.

Not really. The gap between dungeon bis and overall bis isn’t really that big, and won’t be relevant unless you’re looking for world first level keys.

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You can queue for BGs with 5 people.
I believe in classic you can queue with an entire raid?
Premades are very uncommon and most of the time people say premade it isn’t.

I believe there is a rating element to upgrading PVP gear, but it only effect the PVE item level. In PVP all PVP gear scales up.

Honor gear is super easy to acquire through PVP.

Nope.

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What do you mean? I think I read that someone mentioned that premades were banned from solo que or something about that.

Yeah but what I meant was if there was pvp gear that could not be bought due to a raiting limitation like in WOTLK.

What is a “world first level key”?

For the other person:

I read there was some solo q que or something about that, is that true?

I don’t understand this can you elaborate more on this?

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Realistically you probably won’t encounter premades in retail outside of 40-man/epic battlegrounds, if running into them is a concern for you. There might still be smaller-scale 3-5/man premades in regular battlegrounds, but they’re fairly uncommon compared to the (much more common) epic BG premades

…or if the concern is whether or not you will be able to run a premade, no worries there, you can queue with either a 5-stack or multiple 5-stacks (sync queuing) as you please

Your question was kind of vague - are you concerned about encountering premades (in other words, being on “the receiving end”) or are you concerned as to whether you would be able to premade with your friends (on “the giving end”)?

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random bgs you can queue with your friends if you want to. They are experimenting with a soloqueue for rated BGs, which will be solo only.

All honor gear has the same pvp ilvl, and all conquest gear has the same pvp ilvl.

you must have not played retail in a while.

Short version is that dungeons are a full end game progression system, where you exponentially scale up the damage and HP of the dungeon, getting better gear as you go up in levels until a cap.

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I despise premades and I don’t want to be doing it, I even said in my original post that was the thing that made me unsub from Classic release.

Ok that sounds fair enough, at least sounds like I would have a chance.

What is the difference between a “rated” BG and a normal BG?

I still don’t understand and I think this time your reponse was more vague.

Ok but to do that do I need Raid gear or can I just do dungeons and organically up the level of this dungeons?

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No, Ion has been massively screwing raiding since he took over at the start of Legion.

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In general: dungeons give you easier access to better gear than raiding does currently. They also throw infinite amounts of it in your face.

rating don’t matter. Honor gear is 476 in PvP. All conquest gear is 489 in pvp.

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No

No, you can do rated battlegrounds. Random battlegrounds award conquest too but the best gear requires a rating.

No

You aren’t forced to do anything.

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Rated Battlegrounds offer a non-arena path to rating. And with the exception of the upcoming solo queue experiment, it requires a full team of 10 to queue. (So, it’s always premade vs. premade.)

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Good

That sounds pretty good.

So how do I get this “conquest”?

Please elaborate on this because for me this is a deal breaker, I detest that they gate the geat behind a dumb rating like in WOTLK.

So there is gear behind rating like in WOTLK?

That is a deal breaker for me.

Its a super dumb idea to let people that snowballed to keep snowballing out of control and prevent others to gear.

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This poster is giving you info from last expansion.

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Mmmm I don’t understand then, can you explain?

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the item level of pvp gear in pvp used to scale with rating in shadowlands.

Not anymore, in dragonflight it’s always the same.

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It looks like it hasn’t been explained yet, but pvp gear (gear sourced from pvp) has a pve ilvl and a pvp ilvl.

So it might be idk 460 ilvl in pve but as soon as you enter pvp combat it will jump to idk 489 or something.

This is so if you’re not the world’s best pvp player you still scale up so it’s a more even field but if you take that she gear into pve you won’t be out gearing pvers

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So rating does nothing? I just want to know if its like WOTLK where it completely prevented you from buying pieces of gear if you didn’t had the rating.

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It unlocks an extra appearance, but no power.

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So there is no gear locked behind rating grind like in WOTLK

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As I have said 4 times already, yes.