A Dumb Thought : The rumored WoW TV Series

Something that occurred to me during work today is that the reason the Warcraft Movie ‘flopped’ was the setting is so Lore-dense and heavy and they tried to cram the entire story into the movie, rather than the cliff notes and the important moments.

So rather than focusing on the ‘Main Characters’ in the TV series, I wanna pitch something to you, my fellow nerds.

Every Season is split into 6-7 episodes and follows a small group of characters involved in pivotal moments in Warcraft’s story.


1st Season follows a survivor of the Orc’s original invasion signing on with the Alliance army and fighting the Orcs alongside a Dwarven Rifleman and an Elven Mage, and while the trio bonds fairly well and plays nice together, they’re also witness to the political division within the ‘Alliance of Lordaeron’, the racial prejudices and the rise of Deathwing as ‘Daval Prestor’ who is actively trying to sabotage the Alliance of Lordaeron from within by using his sorcery to undermine the King of Lordaeron and foment unrest, rebellion and inflame the already tense political situations to keep the Alliance from winning.

They also are there at the battle of Blackrock Mountain where Lothar and Ogrim duel and witness the ‘Official Blizzard Stance’ ‘duel’ between the new Warchief and the High Champion of the Alliance of Lordaeron, and similar situations.


2nd Season follows a pair of fresh recruits into the Lordaeron Army after the Orc Wars who wind up under the command of Prince Arthas and follow his journey, encountering such characters of Jaina, King Terenas, Uther and even ending up in the retinue of Arthas himself sometimes, and we see these titanic figures both through the eyes of these fresh-faced recruits, and their truly Human sides as the season progresses, where Arthas is clearly an empathic and proud future ruler of Lordaeron and has a deep love for his land and his people, which twists the knife as we chase down Fel Orcs trying to summon Demons again, rumors that the ‘Free Orcs’ who broke out of the Internment Camps are trying to flee across the ocean, and the first beginnings of the Cult of the Damned rising to power.

One of these characters is devoted to justice, the other, to loyalty, and this works well for them until Andorhal, where one sides with Arthas, and the other sides with Jaina and Uther, and there the last four episodes split, two episodes per character, with the Loyal Soldier following Arthas to Northrend and follows to the bitter end, desperate to believe the embittered figure they still see as their light in the darkness is still the best hope for Lordaeron.

The Justice Character follows Jaina and we see her attempt to rally as many people as she can, months after Andorhal, as Arthas, now a Death Knight, scours Lordaeron and the surrounding regions of the Living, and has a final, climactic battle against their Loyalty counterpart, who has been turned into an Undead proto-Death Knight, now fully devoted to their ‘King’ in madness and in thrall to the Dread Blade, Frostmourne, before Jaina and her flotilla of survivors and soldiers sail away, following the Orcs across the sea to Kalimdor …


3rd Season follows a young Orc woman who has awakened to Shamanism, having been born in the Internment Camps and struggles to reconcile the ‘honor’ of her people with the horrors they have committed, and the lasting legacy of Blackhand and Gul’dan on the older Orcs, who in turn struggle to accept a woman as a warrior in some cases, and other Orcs who are desperate to rekindle their own faith in Shamanism, when the young Orc is just barely learning the ropes herself.

She walks alongside Thrall in some scenes, this titanic figure of messianic proportions, and also sees him struggling with the burden of leadership, of reigning in Grom Hellscream’s battle-lust and the deep scars that the Shadow Council left within the Orcs. The first three episodes establish her, her position in Thrall’s new Horde, and then the journey by sea to meet the Darkspears, where she meets an unlikely friend in a Darkspear Shadow Hunter as the Darkspear Troll Tribe is recruited and saved from the Sea Witch, and we get more insight into Orcs and Trolls that isn’t Alliance focused, before the next two episodes see us landing on Kalimdor, meeting the Tauren, fighting the Centaur, and Grom’s fall to bloodlust and re-enslavement by the Legion, before the rough Alliance between Alliance, Kaldorei and Horde begins to take shape …


The Fourth and Final Season introduces us to a pair of Sentinels, a Priestess of Elune and a Druid in Kalimdor, hunting down Satyrs who have begun to boil out of the darkest corners of the forests, and find hints of ‘invaders’ from across the sea. It is these Sentinels who, rather than listen to the Priestess and inflamed by the Druid, attack the Warsong Orcs for ‘desecrating’ the forests and kick off the conflict with the Outsiders, and then we get to witness their horror as a Fel-fueled Grom and his Fel Orcs butcher their way through hundreds of their allies and even slay Cenarius the Forest God.

It is through their eyes we see Tyrande as both the careful and empathic leader of their people, and the unflinching blade of their Goddess against any who would threaten them, and even meet Malfurion and witness the return of Illidan, the unification of the Alliance, Kaldorei and Horde to defend Teldrassil, and see the Legion burn their way to the foot of the World Tree before Archimonde is caught in the trap and destroyed by tens of thousands of Wisps, at the cost of the World Tree’s burning and their own immortality.


The problem we have is that WoW is so damn Lore dense, there’s dozens of things going on at all times, with dozens more perspectives and ‘sides’ to consider, that we can’t just cram it all into one thing and go “DONE!”, because it just makes a lumpy mess that satisfies nobody.

But what are your thoughts?

As long as Henry Cavill is Arthas, I am in.

The WarCraft movie flopped because WarCraft 1’s plot isn’t that great when you view it in context with the later lore. All the ‘context’ to WarCraft 1 works in hindsight because the events of WarCraft 1 have already occurred.

The WarCraft movie tried to do WarCraft 1 but with all the retcons present, and the narrative doesn’t work then.

If they absolutely had to start at WarCraft 1, then it should have just been WarCraft 1. Orcs were evil, Medivh was just a psychotic sorcerer Lothar had to put down, Llane is assassinated without ulterior motive.

Trying to marry the “Noble Savage” Orcs for WarCraft 3 to the narrative of 1 for a major motion picture was total folly. Hell, I’d say Warlords of Draenor proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that you can’t really do a WarCraft media pre-WoW because it’s kind of impossible for the Orcs not to be villains.

This isn’t me being Alliance main pilled here. The Horde routinely is the problem with the WarCraft narrative because while it’s stated they are an alliance of convenience to protect against predation , even within the bounds of Vanilla World of WarCraft, the Horde quest experience involves a willful cleansing of a established people from their ancestral lands to give the Horde “breathing room”.

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Ah… good times, good times.

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The Traveler book series proves that you can introduce these amazing secondary characters and have them live their own adventures in the wonderful world of Azeroth, without ever pulling out a Thrall or an Andruin.

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Let’s not forget the utterly horrible acting. That caused it to flop as well. Also killed Paula Patton’s career.

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The acting really was baaaad.

I did like baby Khadgar. He was ok.

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I feel the Warcraft movie failed because they clearly wanted to do Lord of the Clans, a perfectly good starting point for a Warcraft movie series, but decided casual audiences needed to know who Durotan was first before meeting Thrall.

So maybe that’s how they approach a Warcraft show. Thrall is the protagonist of the first season, covers Lord of the Clans and some of the early pre-WarCraft 3 stuff. Then you have Arthas be the protagonist for a season or two, get his story underway. Then Tyrande, Rexxar, etc, before getting into the WoW stuff.

Basically adapt WarCraft 3 as a show. No telling if they would ever get to WoW but who knows.

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Warcraft TV series but it’s about the Sons of Lothar stranded on the remains of Draenor surviving the horrors left by the Horde and their demonic master. It’d absolutely be a horror show. I’m just really on a WCII/Outland hype train atm but I keep thinking about, what happened between the portal closing and the portal re-opening. What did the surviving Sons of Lothar have to do and endure to survive on that bleak hellscape.

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I liked baby Khadgar. It’s about all I remember from the movie. I didn’t dislike the movie either. I didn’t think it was that bad, compared to the stuff that Hollywood normally puts out.

The universe of Warcraft is huge- regardless of how you feel about their story telling. I think two of the ways to approach are either as fan service and assume that everyone knows everything, or as an introduction and assume that no one knows anything. The movie tried to both, poorly. It just didn’t work. I’ve watched it again, so I didn’t hate it. It just wasn’t as good as it could have been.

I agree. To me it seemed like they wanted to start with the Orc redemption arc. Which doesn’t really work, if you don’t know why they need to redeem themselves. Let the orc be bad, full stop. Don’t automatically start with “is wasn’t really their fault”. First movie - go with human and human adjacent = good, monsters = bad. Then start with the Thrall/Moses/Jesus story. Show that the Allaince isn’t all full goody two-shoes and that Monsters aren’t all evil. Show that there is a greater evil afoot that is hiding itself the chaos. The Orcs should have to work to show you why you should care about the underdogs.

So basically a tv series about WoW. I think that actually would be a good approach.

I would like to see some Tauren not happy about Cairn’s decision to support Thrall and all that would entail. Bloodtotem was but one tribe. Not every tribe was allied with Cairn. I can imagine some would join, but others would not. Maybe there would be objects based on religion to full on racism and isolationist beliefs. It would be nice to see Tauren be more than stoic minotaurs, who’ve “been expecting you” or just start at walls.

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My only quibble with that is we’re 20 years deep into the MMO World of WarCraft and I’m going to be honest - the Orcs have yet to demonstrate why we should care about them. Especially Post-Garrosh, I feel like there really ought to be a “Relocate Orcs back to Outland” multi-racial coalition since with Thrall raising his kids in Nagrand we know the Dark Portal is still up and running, so it’s not like they can’t go home.

Sure it’s a blasted out shell of a planet where the crops are dying and it’s disintegrating into the nether but y’all don’t belong on Azeroth. Go back to your own bombed out ruin and leave ours in peace. We’ll even do a solid and forcibly relocate all the Naga still bumming around Outland. Everybody takes their balls and returns to their respective celestial points of origin…we’ll share custody of the Draenei since they literally can’t go home any more.

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Controversial opinion but I liked the Warcraft movie. I liked the part when Lothar beats Blackhand by stabbing him in the gnards. Otherwise, it wasn’t the best movie I’d ever seen but I didn’t think it was that bad. There was some deleted scenes that I would have added some needed context to the movie that should have been kept in. The other problem is trying to force too much into one movie but it wasn’t terrible, I liked it regardless.

If it was a TV show and/or trilogy movie I think it would have worked better. Start with the Horde as the bad guys that eventually team up with the good guys because we all love enemies to lovers trope. You can’t just immediately become lovers, you gotta let that friction simmer and build up so when Lothar finally kisses Blackhand it’s worth it.

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Oh, I agree. I’m just placing my theoretical hopes that a screen writer would do a better job at stringing together something more cohesive than Blizzard.

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There’s darkness within me that hopes they devote an entire season to Westfall.

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#JusticeForOldBlancy

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I think the issue here is that Blizzard has to push this narrative because they can’t risk overtly demonizing one of their Mega-Factions to the general public, especially not with Pearl-Clutching and "WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?" on the rise, in both government and mass media, for both clout and to shut down discussions.

To be fair, almost every race in the Alliance is guilty of this too, it was just centuries ago, or thousands of years ago. Humanity was an all-conquering barbarian horde, pun not intended, that slaughtered every Troll, Gnoll, Harpy, Murloc and Kobold they came across, and then the High Elves decided “Let’s teach the howling barbarians how to set things on fire with their minds, this surely cannot go wrong!”, and here we are.

Dwarves literally decimated the indigenous Troll populations everywhere they settled after waking up from their torpor, and have even gone so far as to engage in slavery, bringing a hostile Elemental Lord into the Material Plane and turning otherwise fertile land into a volcanic hellscape (Dark Irons), rampant expansionism that led to more genocidal conflict with the indigenous peoples of the Eastern Kingdoms (Bronzebeard and Wildhammers alike) and unearthing Cthulian horrors best left buried because their stubborn pride couldn’t take being told “No.” by wiser beings.

Quite literally everywhere the Alliance has major holdings, was once Troll lands, where the Forest and Jungle Trolls had managed to hold on and sustain their societies in relative peace after first the Kaldorei slaughtering the Twin Empires at the foundation of their own society, and then the absolute End-of-Days nonsense that was the Sundering. It always makes my face tic when people say the Alliance are peaceful, because less than a century ago, the only thing that was keeping the various Nations of Men in the Eastern Kingdoms from attacking each other, and their Dwarven, Elven and Gnomish neighbours, was because everybody hated everybody and nobody had a strong enough force to hold off everybody else at the same time.

It is the breath-taking hypocrisy of the setting that gives it a spark, to me at least, because nobody is entirely good, and everybody has their reasons, right, wrong or stupid, for doing what they do.

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Ideally this. Have the series be the thing that gets people to want to play the game, give the general public a rough idea of where the story kicks off before you touch the game, although given the … disjointed … nature of the expansions and leveling, that might also fall kind of flat.

I’d prefer this in a graphic novel, or audio-log series, bouncing between the now-leaderless forces of the Sons of Lothar, with Turalyon and Alleria absent due to Warp Shenanigans Plot and Khadgar busy studying under the Naaru of Shattrath most of the time.

At the risk of being that guy, we’d be sending a mostly innocent nation-sized amount of people into a dying planetoid and tell them “Good luck!” before slamming the door shut.

Technically, Humans, Dwarves, Elves of all kinds, Gnomes, Pandaren and Draenei don’t belong on Azeroth either, they’re all either artificial Titanic constructs or mutations caused by exposure to Titanic facilities, or just straight up aliens. Don’t even get me started on the nightmare tangle of “Why would you do this?” that is the Dracthyr. At this point, only the Trolls, Tauren and Vulpera are native species, and even that is suspect due to Old Gods and the fact that many Wild Gods/Loa are artificial creations of the Titans as well, and their children in turn are ‘unnatural’ to Azeroth.

And … kinda gotta remember the Draenei aren’t the representatives of the Eredar, they’re just the tiny minority that Velen could trust and fled with, and even then, every step of the way they’ve had big chunks of the population turn around and side with literal cosmos-ending Demons because a life on the run was too hard for them to deal with. Admittedly, most of the Eredar had no idea that Sargeras was going to betray them and corrupt them with the Fel until the very last moment, but most of them also didn’t really seem to care until after we ‘killed’ their ‘God’ and left their Legion as shattered and ruined as what they’d done to their beloved Argus in the name of their Pact with Sargeras, and as genuinely terrible as the Orcs were under Gul’dan and Blackhand, Garrosh and Sylvanas, they pale in comparison to the cosmic genocide-run of the Eredar people under Archimonde and Kil’jaden.

If the Orcs gotta go back to their shattered, dying world, then so do the Draenei by that logic.

Yessssssssssssssssssss. The Rise of the Defias would be a hell of a story to pursue with decent writers and some good framing.

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#AzerothForNaturalAzerothians

(Says the Troll Mutant)

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I feel like if someone was going to do the WoW TV series at this point, it would have to be somewhere between Game of Thrones and Wheel of Time as far as tone and pace. It would have to air over several seasons. It should be more serious than slap-happy. We should never see any of the cheesy media references. We absolutely should see the different races.

If someone sat down and did a script treatment with basic outlining of major scenes and plot points, I’m certain it could be done well. It’s just a matter of budget and good writers.

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I feel like I’m literally going insane because I actually liked the movie and the person I saw it with, who had absolutely no awareness of the original story of WC1 or the retcons, also enjoyed it. We had a good time with it.

It’s just. Wild. To enjoy things and look around at people going “no it was a literal diaper bonfire. it was garbage.”

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