A courteous word about LGBT representation

I mean I think people complained a bit about Thrall’s wedding but it was more for the fact that it was just

more Thrall
down our throat.

Hey at least the cape was deece at the time.

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Should I see you in the game world or vice-versa, poke me. Have heals, will travel.

:shamrock: :rainbow: :shamrock:

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opens OPS profile, OP is naked

shakes head

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In the interest of fairness, there is also a sidequest or three involving someone else singing about how in love Sindragosa and Malygos were, and Sindragosa gives off big Mom vibes in the interactions we have with her. Aloof Mom, but mom.

I actually liked the Azure Span quests in general for getting into familial ties and the like. Like with the Rastakan and Proudmoore quests in BfA, the families are flawed and nuanced, and especially in the Proudmoore family there’s a lot of pain on display, but they’re treated fairly well. It’s why I believe there’s actual potential in the writing staff, if only the Big Story was told to heck off so the plots on the ground were given more space to develop.

The Brights got a little overly sappy, but I felt like it could be excused by being in the ‘cute honeymoon’-ey phase of their relationship. It did get a little grating when it was three quest clusters dedicated to that relationship, but we haven’t seen Shaw and Flynn in the same place since…BfA, I think?

The Centaurs felt odd because, like someone else said, it felt like there was a culture mismatch. Specifically it felt like we, the players, were being asked to do something that we shouldn’t have been trusted to handle properly. Not because we’re incompetent, just because we don’t know either of the grooms, never mind their tribes’ cultures.

The centaur and dryad was, legitimately, very cute. I enjoyed that quest, especially the end when the dryad was like “Tell her I like the blue ones.” so it felt like a lot of actual relationships I’ve seen start. The quest chain was also short enough to not overstay its welcome.

But the overall impression, especially with as in your face as the Brights were, is that there might not be any LGBT writers whose opinions are actually given consideration at the level of the directors. I fully believe one or two actual LGBT writers were consulted or conscripted for individual questlines other than the Brights, I just think they were probably told “We need five gay quests from you by the end of the month.”

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What courage. The only difference between this and every other post is that it hasn’t been filled with thinly-veiled vitriol.

There’s a lot of claims being made with absolutely no evidence to back it up other than opinion.

We get it. You think it’s pandering. The very definition of pandering…look it up. What’s happening here is very very much open to interpretation for that word

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We didn’t complain about the relationship but we DID hate on her never shutting up about “GO’EL GO’EL GO’EL”

but yeah, it’s weird how so many people care about the quality of writing of side quests that involve relationships in WoW suddenly just in the last week when it was largely a non-issue for 18 years.

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The wedding wasn’t the issue, it was Aggra’s nails against chalkboard voice line and a lot of people were picking up on how Thrall was really just Metzen’s self-insert and it felt annoying.

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There’s also a Kirin Tor student that snickers about Malygos and Sindragosa’s “Pleasure Villa” which I was rather surprised to see in the game. Point is though most of the people shrieking about the LGBT relationships in the game are being just as intellectually dishonest as the people that call people phobes.

Both are two sides of the same coin as I see it.

If you have to name call someone, or are possessed of an inconsolable hatred toward anyone who thinks, or lives different from you, because you believe yourself morally and intellectually perfect; at a default you are not someone I can or will support… ever.

Bear in mind however that if I come to that conclusion, it wasn’t because I hated you. Rather it had zilch to do with your sexuality or your orientation, or even your opinion on any given subject. No, rather it had everything to do with the content of your character. There are certain toxic mentalities out there that I simply will not count myself in the company of.

People really should try to stop making acts of aggression that trigger immediate reprisals, that trigger another act of aggression. Sometimes it’s alright to end it by just walking the other way. Sometimes that is also the only winning move, and the smartest thing you can do.

:shamrock: :rainbow: :shamrock:

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how dare you speak the truth & act like a normal human being.

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I know right?! :wink:

Gotta love people who say "I don’t have a problem with XXXX, But… " Then proceed to have a problem with XXXX.

XXXX can represent anything. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Personally I find OTT couples like that annoying. Reminds me a lot of those straight couples where the girl changes her voice to be more babyish and I’m like “… let me just walk away and never associate with them.” But honestly these kind of things don’t keep me up at night, so it’s w/e. Kinda funny to see how it bothers some people so much though.

I get that. I’ve been part of that couple IRL, and I’ve also been the third wheel sitting next to that couple just trying to eat my dang sushi.

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My annoyance mainly comes from this guy I knew back in school who kept being manipulated by this girl because she’d up her ‘charm’ every time he’s around and then basically be condescending to everyone else. She was also very lazy. They’re still together though, so who knows.

8% of the human population on Earth. Not the Dragonflight population on Azeroth. Not everything has to be 1-1, this is a fantasy game.

It’s also the case that 0% of the population can turn into a dragon.

Couples of any sexuality can be cringey.

I like them and I don’t care if the representation is cheesy, it makes me feel like I exist which is a good feeling.

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At this point that’s all perfectly normal

I get your point though it can seem like they are just doing it to meet some weird representation quota

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I ran every. Single. Dungeon. Trying to cheer up a depressed tuskarr who was a formerly brilliant painter, but hadn’t been able to make anything he liked and had given up painting.

And after running EVERY SINGLE DUNGEON (with pugs), the conclusion was that his love with his tuskarr girlfriend who he loved very much was “the greatest art he’ll ever make”.

EVERY SINGLE DUNGEON.

And then to be hit with that.

Don’t worry, folks, there’s lots of terrible straight quests and corny dragons mooning over their corny opposite gender significant other and rescuing husbands/wives for their wives/husbands and opposite gender couples with kids. A few queer couples (mostly in optional sidequests instead of the main storyline) won’t be the end of the straight world.

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The forums are doing a better job at “shoving it down your throat” than the game actually is

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Heck like we got Nozdorumu showing off his mate too , its like people are ignoring the normal stuff and tilting on things they shouldnt bat a eye too

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I was legitimately mad at the conclusion of Hudson’s story, to be honest.

Not because he’s straight, but because that’s depressing, corny, and annoying in roughly that order.

But yeah, all the “I’m not ____, but isn’t this a bit much” without offering the same level of examination to quests that suffer from the same problems is vexing.

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