This is how it looks in my eyes (even though there’s still no reason to pick it)
The absolute best way to use it - is to pair it with Icy veins.
Ray of frost does not consume Winter’s chill charge
So it would look something like this
Icy veins > cast frostbolt into flurry > use one ice lance to eat first charge of WC > Ray of frost > throw second ice lance to consume second charge of WC + you will have another charge of Fingers ready.
With 4 tier pieces that first ice lance will also boost ray damage by 6%
With 16% base haste you do have enough time to fit Ray of frost between ice lances. But only under icy veins. Not enough time without icy veins
I don’t even know if it’s worth using, but if i would - that i think would be the way
This combo alone does about 600k damage (ray doing about 290k) into training dummy
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I dont have the set bonus, BUt I am seeing about the same… And with the build I have I can follow up with a Gs into Ice nova bringing total damage to around 900k. If you can find a way to work Ring of fire in there it might get scary.
Seems pretty decent except for the fact that in the same time I can do 1.2 mil as Arcane.
The advantage is that frost after that combo still has another flurry and ORB so you can keep some instant damage rolling out.
It’s still a dps loss in PVE… In pvp the most burst would be IV, FB, Flurry, Meteor, Ray of Frost assuming your have them stunlocked.
is it big though? I mean to get ray in ST build you only need to remove one point from deep shatter and it’s just a 2s cast between ice lances within icy veins. Shouldn’t eat THAT much of damage
Can’t pick it in AoE build at all tho, not enough points
It’s about a 2k loss, and doesn’t give any cdr, but I mean if you like it, play it.
Just another dead talent buffed this tuning round for no reason, just like for fire mages. And for some reason not buffed enough to make it viable, but buffed enough to for hopeful speculation.
I tried glacial spike last night in raid hoping for good results but just got a DPS loss.
Feels more like a PvP orientated buff than anything.
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still, it’s the only opportunity for frost to get quick burst dps combo. It might be useful in certain situations where you need burst more than sustain
Atleast unlike GS ray of frost doesn’t completely destroy your rotation and all icicles management
Honestly, that’s the worst part. It hasn’t been made good enough for anyone to take, but that hasn’t stopped a half dozen threads speculating on whether Frost can actually take talents like Ray and GS without it being a dps loss to use. Heaven forbid players want to play something other than the IV/TV/IP build, in this “meaningful choices” talent tree they advertised so heavily…
Could they buff GS/Ray again? Maybe. But who has the patience to wait another 4-5 weeks for talents that should be good now?
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Sounds like they advertised it very accurately to me… “meaningful choices” … as in they matter and if you dont make the exact right choices, you dont do max damage…
I dont see how else to even interpret “meaningful choices”. If you could pick whatever you want and do max damage, the choices would in fact be meaningless.