You mock me, then you accuse me of getting carried away when I call you out. You’re either careless or trying to gaslight me. Either way, stop it.
Wow, huii, i mean, whats your problem if the light is not only good but have more goals ahead in mind to make itself more powerfull, all forces seek power and dominance over the others, the light is no expection
Given Blizzard’s increasing tendency towards the edgelord stuff, I don’t think they’ll show the nuance you claim, especially if they go the “extreme order is as bad as extreme chaos” route with Light vs Void and the Yin/Yang parallels. If they were trying to give both sides the nuance you claim, where are the non-villainous Old Gods?
The Scarlet Crusade are avowed enemies of the Alliance, and the feeling’s mutual. Assuming any members of the Scarlet Crusade are still left after the numerous purges they’ve been subjected to. They’re not going to team up for some holy war. Plus there’s Light worshippers among the Horde, so this situation can’t be “the Alliance’s turn as the villains, the Horde’s turn as the heroes”.
I never said anything about the Light’s champions being the ultimate good, and I’m fine with the Scarlet Crusade, so you and the people in my hate brigade among those who upvoted your comment need to stop trying to make a strawman of my argument.
According your first comment, you’re only saying it fits because you like that idea. To quote you (bold added for emphasis); “tbh, i liked the vision in thousand years of war with the light-crystalized worlds…in which the light inprisson all this kind of beings who are against the light…(self)Righteous Justice in an extremly way…it would fit the light.”
Yeah but that answered not the “problems” you seem to have with this narrative
My problems with this narrative are lore-based reasons plus personal dislike. Your only “reason”, by your own admission, is you personally like it. What makes your feelings more valid than mine?
It’s like people saying Yrel’s group will ally with the Scarlet Crusade. They were wiped out between Legion and BfA by the Knights of the Ebon Blade going through their monastery to resurrect Sally Whitemane as a Death Knight. The closest thing left now are a few conspiracy theorists calling themselves the Scarlet Brotherhood.
the first error in your thinking is, that you think i say that my feeling is more valid than yours, i never said that, i said it would fit the things about the light we know:
The light was and is a power that seek dominance, in every culture the light take places, its shortly after try to leaf former culturel aspects beyond and starts new thing, lightbased things:
you can see this behavior by the Draenei, Humans, Dwarfs, even partly Bloodelves. (The high elves were much much much more arcan Focused then light focused, compare this to the Bloodelves).
in every culture the light take place, its shortly after try to make the people of this certain culture to abandonded their former Religion and culture and change toward the light.
It is a way to seek dominance.
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Someone is scared about the idea that the alliance could get the treatment the Horde recieved in BFa. You are so fragile and unsecure it is funny. Stay that way you are peak entertainment.
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Its more about a MHP paladin being afraid at the idea that the light isn’t the real awefully good power in the universe. OP made many other crap thread like this one pretending that anything that would make the light just slightly less good would somehow be the worst story witting being of some awefull argument…
His main argument for a while as been that light being bad have been used one or two time so it would be boring and overused. Meanwhile, what he want is the light to stay awefully good opposed to the bad evil dark which have been done a trillion time and which is at this point one of the most boring fantasy existing.
It is basically a case of ‘’ i don’t like it so it is bad writing!!!’’.
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I personally prefer Magical Forces to be neutral, and instead give the wielders a choice to either use that Force for good or evil
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It would actually be nice if there were other magics at work than just “Light”… Just take the alliance magics to their extremes. to basically say “All races are as easily corruptable as the next” I would bring up Night elves and highborne etc but that would inevitably delay the thread.
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Arcane used to fill that role. Arcane used to be portrayed as addictive/corruptive for humans. Night Elves, High/Blood Elves, and Nightborne grappling with their history of abusing Arcane/Fel magic is a big ongoing theme.
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from the perspective of the light in case of humans and high/bloodelves, the paladins were pretty fanatic against the arcane magic users.
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I agree, I feel like Arcane also checks some of these boxes. Jaina misusing Arcane could be just as bad as Turalyon misusing the Light. If anything it seems like a common thread. Power is the corrupting force, it doesn’t matter what form it takes.
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There actually is a benevolent Void entity that is destined to help save the world/cosmos, and it’s implied to be Alleria Windrunner.
The Scarlet Crusade is not currently the avowed enemy of the Alliance. they have a representative in the Chapel of the Holy Light in Stormwind right now. They are currently the ones agitating in Stormwind for the removal of Anduin as king and for Genn or Turalyon to take the throne. They’re also the biggest proponents of the retake Lordaeron/Eradicate Forsaken movement. And when Xe’ra shows up with her manipulations, they’ll absolutely go along with her.
But Blizzard is not going to make Anduin, Velen and all the Naruu go full on villain and put them down the same way they’ll do Xe’ra and the Scarlet Crusade. If they do anything bad, it’s going to be whitewashed and justified behind layers of manipulations/mind control shennanigans.
And no, it won’t be the Horde’s turn to be the heroes. Anduin, Jaina and Velen are going to be the heroes because they’re the biggest names that are going to be on the GOOD side of the Light opposing Xe’ra and the Scarletts. Possibly with some help from Calia and Liadrin because those are pretty much the only Light themed ‘Horde’ characters. It doesn’ hurt that they’re also Human/Elf. But Thrall, Baine, Gazlowe and all the other ugly Horde races likely won’t get to do much.
Your fears are not founded in the game’s lore or Blizzard’s writing history.
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And no, you never say outright that the Light’s Champions are all the ultimate good, but you deny/resist/criticize every other attempt by Blizzard to expand on the concept beyond the Scarlet Crusade. And you try to justify all the bad things Xe’ra and those she commands do.
Nobody’s out to get you. You don’t have a “hatedom”. You just keep saying the same incorrect things every few months and people keep pointing out how you’re wrong every few months.
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There’s still a right way.
Blizzard’s ability to ignore/retcon lore to justify their current story can be made to work in their favor. They can totally pull that “From the Titan’s Point of View” thing to invalidate the cosmology they introduced in various ways.
Assuming they do a possible Light civil war story that explores the consequences of extremism, they can not have us visit the Light Lands. They can just have Xe’ra visit Azeroth and be working from behind the scenes and focus most of the story on the politics and subtle examinations of character.
They probably won’t, but it’s not because they can’t.
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aye but i dont really want Jaina to be corrupted etc. We have had such a rollercoaster of Slalom racing with her personality of “I LOVE HORDE I HATE HORDE I LOVE HORDE” that I seriously dont want her involved with the factions anymore.
The kul tiran Jaina story was just 
Its basically if John f kennedys murderer several years later saved america from a military coup or something smaller scale. and then he becomes President and every american loves him.
inb4 a certain blood elf paladin starts accusing me of hating jaina because she is female.
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That’d be an angle they could explore assuming Xe’ra and the Scarlets get more sway in Stormwind. On Draenor, Xe’ra’s position was petty much anything not Lightbound had to be ‘fixed’.
Even outside of Arcanists, I can’t imagine her being okay with all these Void Elves (she locked up their last leader), Night Elf Demon Hunters (she tried to forcibly Lightforge their last leader), Death Knights and Warlocks running around in Stormwind. At some point, they’re going to be forced to choose between the Light and death/indefinite imprisonment as well.
after so many “Beat downs” of the scarlet crusade…it would be kinda lazy if the scarlet crusade are the “new bad”
Yeah…scarlet crusade number 10 now…
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Jaina is a loose canon for sure. It seems like she’s going to be exploited again to start another faction war whenever Blizzard needs an Alliance antagonist.
I agree. But Blizzard’s not going to sully Anduin, Velen, and the greater Church of the Light and Stormwind military by making them the baddies. So they’re having have to pull out the Scarlet Crusade and these before-now-unnamed Nobles to take the ultimate blame and serve as our faceless army of antagonists… Or they could create an entirely new organization that’s basically like the Scarlets. Probably AU Xe’ra’s Lightbound forces. Or something else entirely.
It’s the corner Blizzard’s written themselves into for deciding to cram all these developments into the background of 1-2 expansions.
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