9.1 potential addition to the list of whispers

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Looks like the dev team liked the discussions surrounding the whispers, be it from OGs, cultists, turtles, or cemetary. The latest addition seems to be

Maybe there is some overlap with the currently existing one. Like

Everliving Statuette: How many voices do you heed? How many are real?

Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron
There is no sharp distinction between the real and the unreal.

Might be a way to focus on something less negative than a bunch of other story developments. Or to be more disappointed when the official reveals will be more boring than the speculations. Time will tell (unless it devours all before it).

gl hf

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I hate when we get something like this and an NPC says it’s all lies - that tends to get people thinking that it’s actually 100% the truth if you take the words to mean the opposite of what they are saying, but what it really means is it’s just cryptic nonsense that likely has no real meaning other than what you assign it yourself. (Or the meaning devs decide to give it after the fact for an in-joke.)

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The pain is… we REALLY want to believe everything we’re dealing with is lies. That its all a farce. It would be more interesting than… whatever this all is.

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Maybe you should take “we” out of your vocabulary.

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Mmmm, no.
Given the general consensus about the Expansion. I feel confidence in using the word that Shadowlands is incredibly dull and hollow. So hollow that anything that makes it a lie, a farce, or our objective changes against the norm would drastically make it more interesting.

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So because you believe you belong to the “majority” group (vocal yes, majority no) that gives you the right to speak for others?

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How about you stop arguing semantics and debate the points made why I use such wording. You’d be surprised how much more productive your side of the argument can be if you can illustrate reasons to have a more positive outlook on the expansion. So far, you’re not making a case beyond the assumed position you enjoy it.

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What case do I even need to make? You’re the one trying to insinuate you speak for the masses, or who’s opinion outweighs mine. All I need to do is call out your BS till you try to come up with some sort of backing.

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All you need to do, given the topic, is to add a few ideas about where would those whispers fit.

gl hf

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Can someone tell me why the PCs and some fans are taking this talking statue seriously?

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'Cause speculations and what could’ve been is more fun that the stories we usually get?

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The whispers are even more vague than ll’gynoth’s.

About the only guess I could hazard is that ‘The seventh covets what the six hold fast’ could be a reference to the Titan pantheon and Sargeras covering their power, but that seems too straight forward.

It could also be referencing a mysterious seventh primordial power aside from Death, Life, Light, Void, Order, and Chaos that wants what they have (which I assume would be reality/the universe) but what that power might be is unknown since it wouldn’t have a place in the universe.

Of course it doesn’t help we’re told that these whispers are lies, so the truth would be that the seventh does not cover what the six have. So who knows?

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If we treat the First Ones who created the 6 Cosmic Forces as the Vorlons(not hard considering the First One Artifacts use Hyperlight and how the Arbiter’s Sigil is Golden like Vorlon Ships) then there must be Shadows.

The Shadow is the 7th Cosmic Force opposed to all 6 Aspects of the Hyperlight.

Why is Void mistaken for Shadow? Both are Purple-Black in color! The Shadow of course is darker and more Black.

Who are the Shadows’ willing agents/dupes? Denathrius, Zovaal, Sylvanas and Mueh’zala.

Who are the Shadows’ unaware pawns? The Naaru(the top of their heads resemble the Centauri Half-Circle Hairstyle), Old Gods(who didn’t notice that the Nathrezim serve the Shadows until it was too late) and the Burning Legion!

The Void is basically the Narn while the Naaru seem to be basically the Centauri(who have an Emperor who has a Light is Not Good theme to him).

Once the True Light AKA the Hyperlight appears in the form of the Vorlons we will get a glimpse of benevolence before the Vorlons show themselves to be no better than the Shadow!

The Shadows’ goal?: Chaos and Evolution! This is why none of the Void’s predictions of Xe’ra are fulfilled concerning Alleria and why Varimathras’s own assumptions concerning Sylvanas and the Alliance turned out mistaken: The Shadows don’t want to be predictable they want to be random for the sake of bringing Evolution!

Of course they also demand that you do as you are told. They bring Chaos according to an Orderly Cycle of Chaos and Evolution. They are both Order & Chaos combined! They are the Infinite Cycle!

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Interesting, most fans compare the Naaru to the Vorlons (plus naaru resemble crystallized Vorlons more than Centauri, and the Centauri are more like the Roman Empire). Plus, interesting to see another person familiar with Tv Tropes.

On that note; SPOILERS

In Babylon 5 the Vorlons technically won their war; they accomplished their goal to bring the races together which led to the Interstellar Alliance. While the younger races come up with it themselves, the Vorlons laid the ground work (using the Minbari and Rangers). Some humans and Minbari even evolve into Vorlon-like beings. The younger races may have turned against the Vorlons, but ultimately it’s the Vorlons’ method, not the Shadows’ which won the day.

Plus the Vorlon/Shadow War is ultimately a disagreement over teaching methods. Both started out wanting to mentor younger races, but the Vorlons consider “obey us” the way while the Shadow are all about “sink or swim”. Even if both sides went bad, the Vorlons were more polite about it, and there’s a few compassionate ones.

There’s quiet a few benevolent naaru (even Xe’ra had her moments), but have we seen benevolent Old Gods?

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Bored so:

Everliving Statuette: Hidden from daylight, a sleeping flame rests atop the sixth tree.

Hidden from Daylight = the Light doesn’t know about it
Sleeping Flame = An’she? Or Light-being otherwise
Sixth Tree = sixth cosmic force, the youngest, which given Light/Void came first, and then Order/Chaos, and you need Living Things to die before Death can come to be usually, that means Death

So a member of the Pantheon of Light is sleeping and hidden within Death.

Everliving Statuette: Hope. Betrayal. Sacrifice. Faces change. The tale does not.

This is just Blizzard self-owning.

Titans are betrayed by Sargeras, Argus is sacrificed to trap him and save Azeroth.
Eternal Ones are betrayed by Zovaal, Primus sacrificed himself to try to give the rest a chance to stop him.
Etc.

Everliving Statuette: So many secrets, so little time left to share them.

Throw away.

Everliving Statuette: A city of secrets. A history of lies.

First Ones a hiding the truth; perhaps there’s some secret motivation to why they created Creation?

Everliving Statuette: How many voices do you heed? How many are real?

The Player Character via our classes and races are ultimately tied to certain cosmic forces.

e.g. my Kul Tiran Druid = Titan Construct (Order) with Old God curse (Shadow) practicing Thornspeaker Druidry (Life + Death)

e.g. my Blood Elf warlock = Troll (?) changed by Well of Eternity (Order, maybe Life) then corrupted by Fel (Chaos) now empowered by the new Sunwell (Order + Light) while practicing warlock stuff (Shadow + Fel + Death + otherwise).

Everliving Statuette: The seventh covets what the six hold fast. The fulcrum wavers. All will be undone.

Secret seventh cosmic force?

Would make sense.

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Oroboros! Im still holding onto hope that there is an oroboros, that is being held fast (jailed).

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Assuming “trees” in this context represents cosmic forces, this might mean that one of the cosmic forces which has been the most inactive will soon come into play. Possibly Life in response to what’s been happening with Death? Or Death, which has hidden its schemes involving the universe, will start a “fire” that unknowingly destroys itself.

This seems to be about themes repeating but through different characters. So there will be another conflict with people representing hope, betrayal, and sacrifice as before.

This seems to suggest that whatever hints this statuette is prophecizing about will happen sooner than those that came from beings like Ilgynoth or Nzoth.

Korthia is a “city of secrets”, and the statuette suggests that those from Korthia are liars. The attendant the statuette is given to explains that the statuette is always lieing, so who is the actual liar?

This is referencing people from before who are like the statuette, such as Nzoth, Ilgynoth, the Ogre prophet in Silithus, etc. The statuette suggests that not all of their prophecies are true.

Big theory time: The seventh could actually be the First Ones themselves. It is possible that the First Ones are like the Titans of Greek mythology in that they consider the pantheons of the cosmic forces to be their children and the cosmic forces rebelled against them. The Sephulcher could be where the First Ones were put into stasis and Zovaal going there could awaken them. With this in mind, and wanting to take back the universe, the First Ones will try to destroy the cosmic forces to take back control. What the Eternal Ones have lied about is that the First Ones aren’t dead, it’s a lie made to prevent people from searching for them, and The Purpose is to allow for the Shadowlands undoing so that Zovaal can unintentionally awaken the First Ones when he tries to absorb their power.

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or… N’zoth’s communing with us while we are in his Ny’alotha Nightmare!!! :scream:

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Everliving Statuette: The seventh covets what the six hold fast. The fulcrum wavers. All will be undone.

What if the First Ones are truly the pre-defeat by Sargeras, Titans, and Zovaal was the seventh world soul they had found.

Aman’thul assigned each sibling to look after a cosmic force, and since they were out of cosmic forces, started to assign World Souls to watch over the different planes we see in the Shadowlands, along with Elune going to the Life lands, etc.

The others accepted their fates, but Zovaal, upset that he wasn’t “chosen” began his rebellion, to which the Titans then imprisioned him for.

The Everliving are actually the markers of the universe, but are more entities than actual beings…

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I’d be more likely to assume The Earthmother’s children and her enemies the Old Gods caused the Great Clash of Light & Dark creating the Cosmos since at the least we know her Children are said in World of Warcraft: Folk & Fairy Tales of Azeroth to have fought the Old Ones with An’she(source of the Tauren’s Light) being wounded and needing Mu’sha(I.E. Elune the creator of the Naaru Prime) to attend to him!

If Elune of the Pantheon of Life indeed gave Life to An’she’s bleeding out Light creating the Naaru then the Titan Pantheon we know would be the result of the Earthmother being wounded by her own clash with the Old Gods(forcing her to become one with Azeroth) which would mean the Titan Pantheon is merely the second generation of Titans with the first being the Pantheon of Order!

Remember: The tale of the Great Clash Between Light & Dark is in the 1st Chapter of Chronicle Vol.1 and that Chapter is named Mythos so anything that implies that the Clash was before the 6 Cosmic Realms is Myth not actual History.

As Metzen states in the Preface the Chronicle contains Myths(obviously the Mythos Chapter considering it’s name), Legends and History.