Posted on PTR class thread as well for more visibility if you'd like to take the discussion there.
I’m mainly going to focus on Sub. After reviewing the patch notes on MMO Champion I’m concerned at the outlook of how my favorite class/spec will turn out.
Proposed Azerite Changes
Rogue (Forums, Talent Calculator, PvP Talent Calculator, Artifact Calculator)
• Lying In Wait (New) While no enemy is within 12 yds, heal for 689 every sec. While any enemy is within 12 yds, gain 173 Speed.
• Blade In The Shadows Shadowstrike increases the damage your Shadowstrike deals by 5, stacking up to 10 times.and costs 2 less Energy.
• Perforate Backstabbing an enemy from behind increases the damage of Backstab by 20 for 12 sec, stacking up to 3 times.and reduces the cooldown of Shadow Blades by 0.5 sec.
Proposed Ability Changes
Rogue (Forums, Talent Calculator, PvP Talent Calculator, Artifact Calculator)
Assassination
• System Shock Casting Envenom with at least 5 combo points on a target afflicted by your Garrote, Rupture, and lethal poison deals [ 21.6% of Attack Power ] Nature damage, and reduces their movement speed by 90% for 2 sec. PvP Talent. PvP Talent. Requires Rogue. Requires level 40+.
Subtlety
• Shuriken Combo Shuriken Storm increases the damage of your next Eviscerate by 5% for each enemy hit beyond the first. Stacks up to 5 times. Rogue - Subtlety Spec. Rogue - Subtlety Spec.
• Shuriken Storm Sprays shurikens at all targets within 10 yards, dealing [ 12% of Attack Power + 12% [ 13.8% of Attack Power + 13.8% of Off-hand Attack Power ] Physical damage. Damage increased by 50% while Stealth or Shadow Dance is active. Awards 1 combo points per target hit plus an additional 1. Rogue - Subtlety Spec. Rogue - Subtlety Spec. 35 Energy. Instant. 1 sec global cooldown.
Going to zero in on what bothers me the most, why are we nerfing Shuriken Combo? Sub rogues aren’t even broken and the planned changes to shuriken combo will drop devastate our output. Shuriken combo is what makes sub unique, it’s fantastic and brings a great deal of intricacy into gameplay. Can we not do this please? Additionally the Blade In The Shadows change seems like an overall nerf despite even though it has already been nerfed once.
In conclusion, please don’t nerf Shuriken Combo. Going to leave a link to the current Warcraft logs stats to provide evidence that we are not OP and don’t need this Shuriken Combo nerf . What looks like a minor AOE buff to Shuriken Storm won’t balance out the Shuriken Combo nerf. If it’s nerfed I’d like to see a flat out DMG increase to Eviscerate, allow Shuriken Storm to proc Weaponmaster and reduce the cooldown of Shuriken Tornado.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19#dataset=90
https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/?
Pretty sure those are just tooltip fixes for previous nerfs. (I could be wrong)
Probably nerfing Shuriken Storm because of all the Sub Rogues spamming Shuriken Storm/Eviscerate on Zul and doing 40k dps sustained.
Love how sub is amazing god tier on one niche fight so of course needs nerf, like dont worry its gutted in pvp and no one plays it anymore.
(realise thered be a few that still do/are super good with it, before the comments light up)
(realise thered be a few that still do/are super good with it, before the comments light up)
How about an increase to poisoned knife from 30 to 40??