8.1: Jaina Sinks A Horde Fleet

[Pellex-hyjal (Pellex)]

@Lithya-sargeras

and we are shamed for winning as well.

Are you? Besides Baine and Saurfang no one seems to care much.

I feel like I’ve been summoned. On the old board, I was keeping a running tally of the number of times the Horde PC has been subjected to shame and/or guilt since the pre-patch. This is only counting things the Horde PC sees. There’s a ton more in Alliance-side text (cough “anathema to the noble soul” cough)

1. Before the Storm: Basically all of it.
2. Dying Sad Elves during the War of Thorns: “I only wanted to defend my home” and “Why are the birds so silent?”
3. Anduin at the BfL: “It’s killing her own troops,” he says in horror and pity, even in the middle of our defense of our territory. (I don’t count Saurfang or Baine’s lines in this scene because they’re more internal disagreements on how a war should be conducted than actual condemnations aimed at the PC.)
4. Saurfang in Stormwind stockades telling us that Sylvanas’s Horde (which we have no choice but to be a part of) lacks honor.
5. On the PTR, everyone present expressing horror at the raising of Derek Proudmoore, to the point that our new ally Valtrois compares us to the Legion.
6. The “God of War” reference dialogue between the Traveling Warrior and Traveling Son, in which the sweet little orc boy is sad about the elves losing their tree.
7. During the Stormwind Extraction, Jaina Proudmoore appears, saying we have always been cruel and heartless and ending with a righteous declaration: “You will not harm another soul in this city!”
8. Similarly, Delaryn Silvermoon gets the plucky “doomed hero” moment standing up to Sylvanas in the Warbringers video, proudly declaring that she pities Sylvanas and that their hope will live on.

A more debatable possibility that’s still worth mentioning is the fact that when the Horde PC is in Kul Tiras, the citizens accuse you of murdering Daelin Proudmoore. The Horde perspective–that he was a genocidal maniac who deserved to die–is never given to the Horde PC.

The original post is here: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769637948?page=2#post-34

UPDATE: I’ve made a new thread for the list and added some further items to it.

Horde PC Shame Tally (BfA)

On the old board, I was keeping a running tally of the number of times the Horde PC has been subjected to shame and/or guilt since the pre-patch. Since we have new additions to it, I’m going to bring it onto this new board and give it its own thread. This is only counting things the Horde PC sees. There’s a ton more in Alliance-side text. I plan to keep adding to this list as more incidents show up. Before the Storm: Basically all of it. Dying Sad Elves during the War of Thorns: “I only wan…