5700x3d vs 5800x3d - for WoW?

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I’ve heard WoW is very cpu intensive, and even .5ghz can make the difference in FPS by a long shot. Just looking at 5700x3d, it is .4ghz base clock slower. Does anyone have any benchmarks or comparison to these cpus with WoW? I know wow can be touchy with the such a big difference in clock speed, as I use to overclock a 2500k from 3.3ghz to 4.2ghz and got almost 50% fps just from this clock alone. Help?

Also, memory latency, is not important with 5800x3d, I’m assuming its the same with 5700x3d as they have the same cache sizes, etc.

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where are you hearing .5Ghz can be a huge difference?

Clock speed isn’t the entire story otherwise Intel will be the only cpu to recommend for WoW.

I no longer have a 5800x3d to do side by side comparisons. I do have a 5700x3d and 7800x3d. Even then the difference isn’t exactly day and night.

You’re over thinking it, the 5700x3d will be marginally slower but not drastic enough unless you’re extremely sensitive to +/- 5fps

If you’re coming from the i5 2500k, the 5700x3d wouldn’t make sense unless you’re getting an AM4 build for dirt cheap.

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I know, my old i5 system was so fast lol. Yea, it would only be like 5-10 fps between 5700x3d vs 5800x3d, but the problem is, I have a c19 64gb 4400mhz memory kit with my 5800x and its terrible! I am sure if I benched it, I will be getting like less than 100fps at Q7. I struggle to stay at 60fps in Valdraken after 11.0, in 10.2.7 it was working. I watch benchmark videos that say, even just tuning a proper c14 kit vs not tuning a c14 kit can give 10fps-13fps with the 5800x. So I’m sure the c19 4400mhz kit I have with my 5800x is terrible!

The c14 kit untuned with 5800x can pump like 150fps, vs tuning it will give 163fps. I can’t imagine how long a c19 4400mhz kit is causing my frames to go, could be under 100fps? Even upgrading the memory for $100 here, might give me 50-60fps?

This is my kit
F4-4400C19D-64GVK

and specs
DDR4 4400 (PC4 35200)
Timing 19-26-26-46
CAS Latency 19
Voltage 1.50V

Like as you can see, just changing and tuning the memory here, could take me from 100fps to 160fps for $120 or how ever much bdie is now. Though going 5700x3D, even with my current memory, might pump 175-180fps? but its twice as much money. Also, the 5800x3D, I’m guessing is 195fps with my current memory, but the 5700x3D 180-185fps? Just guessing, I have no idea. Even if I switched out the memory and got a 5700x3d vs not switching out the memory with a 5700x3d, we are taking 3-5 fps difference or less, because memory is not important with the large cache size.

You think the difference is really only 5fps between 5800x3d and 5700x3d? I bet it is a lot more. I bet its closer to 10% difference or on a 200fps 5800x3d system, the 5700x3d system would get 180fps.

Like my personal experience with processors and wow, is if the single core speed is 10% faster, that usually equates to a 10% fps difference. At least that is how it’s been for me with intel, and I’ve heard the same with AMD, as long as its in the same product line.

You are correct, forget that. I think I will just go 5700x3d and run 120hz instead of 144hz. I could do 144hz, if I was 5800x3d, but meh, its $100 more, not really worth it imho.

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whatever you’re doing is going to make you go nuts. Trying to fine tune ram with AM4 isn’t the best idea, AM4 isn’t exactly known for being functional with fast ram. That still goes to intel.

Yes if we’re speaking trying to achieve maximum fps then the 5800x3d will be faster. Heck if you can get a 5600x3d it’ll do better than the 5700x3d if you’re trying to push that area.

The whole purpose of the x3d chips (for WoW) isn’t to achieve higher fps, its to smooth out the fps when it dips. I guess you can try to brute force it with higher clock speed, but you’re going to have to pray silicon gods.

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Really the only way I see running 144fps with a 144hz monitor is to go 5800x3D and might need different memory than c19? As c14 untuned vs c14 tuned with the 5800x3d is like 6fps increase the memory tuned. I am not 100%, but I can probably get 120fps with a 5700x3D with my current c19 memory kit? Hard to say, as a tuned vs untuned kit of the same type is a whopping 6 fps difference. When the 5800x3D runs at 145fps with an untuned c14 kit vs tuning that kit gives 151fps for 1% lows. I just wonder how bad the c19 untuned kit is with a 5700x3D?

I do not think upgrading memory only for my 5800x is an option, as upgrading the memory only, even with a good bdie kit, you are looking at 115fps for the 1% lows.

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what situation are you trying to achieve 144 fps in?

If I am out and about in the world I can easily sustain 140+ fps with the 5700x3d. This is with PBO at -15 and 3200Mhz ram, I forget the actual timing but its somewhere along the lines of 16-20-20-something.

If I am in a major city, then my fps is all over the place ranging from mid 50s to low 100s.
Yes this happens on the 7800x3d as well.

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Thank you. Probably a flight test that the youtuber Hardware Numb3rs does. Actually, thank you for your information. 5700xd will probably work temporarily. I can probably deal with 2x 120hz or ideally 144hz monitors long term(5-8 years), do you run dual monitors? Does it effect your fps? It would be nice to be able to run some 240hz monitors to future proof my system, but to do that I would have to go 9950x + 64gb cl30 6000 during black friday to hit 240fps, and that would probably cost $1200 just for cpu+mobo+memory. 240hz monitors in 16:9 format larger than 32" for productivity are like non existent atm. I think the largest is 32" and I am looking for monitors 34" or larger.

Actually I don’t think I need 2 gaming monitors, I think if I want a hybrid build I need 1 gaming monitor and 1 productivity monitor 36-43", then 1 in portrait? not sure. So the 32" 240hz is probably fine.

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I run 3440x1440p @144hz + a 1440p 165 hz monitor in portrait. Up until a few weeks ago I had a 240hz + 165 1440p configuration. No 240hz is not worth it for WoW. Definitely nice for FPS games, but big waste of money for WoW as expected.

Its probably more worthwhile to go for higher resolution + the 120hz sweet spot if your intention are games like WoW. WoW is more of a scenic game vs fast pace.

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Thank you for this! Yea, I was thinking of only going 240hz for future proofing if I play fps. You are 100% right, not worth it for WoW.

What kind of 240hz monitor did you have? Their Rog 240hz flagship model looks insane but its $1299 for a 32": PG32UCDP

Just realized the benchmarks where they are getting 151fps with 1% lows are 1080p rofl. No way in hell wow is going to run 144fps locked on a 5700x3D at 4k resolution quality 10. You need minimum 144fps 1% lows with fps locking to have silky smooth game play that feels like you are floating. Even then, if your frame rates sometimes drop below 144fps at all, even at the 0% lows, you won’t have the fluid look. Uhg. That is why I lock to 60fps at 1080p and even then I struggle to not drop below 60fps. Hmmmm. Wow is so poorly optimized. Think I need to rethink my plans if I wanna run 144fps. Maybe I stick with 1080p. Downscaling is broken in 11.0 too. If you run 4k at like 83% or w.e apparently you will get worse frames than running it at 100%.

I noticed this on my 1080 monitor, I was running it 83% pre 11.0, but had to dial it back up in 11.0 because they broke downsampling.

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Dunno if you bought anything already, but I have a 7800X3D (+7900 XT) on 1440p with a 240 hz monitor.

Even this CPU won’t be enough to run that stable all of the time, particularly in raids. If you’re going with AM4, grab the 5700X3D and save yourself ~$150 over the 5800X3D for a largely negligible frame bump. If you’re willing, you can shell out for a AM5 and a 7800X3D, which is measurably better than AM4’s best offerings.

As for monitors, I don’t game on 4k; the cost is prohibitive for the quality and framerate I want to game at. Find yourself a great looking 144-170 hz monitor for a LOT cheaper, as 240 hz monitors for 1440p and 4k are exponentially more expensive than alternatives. Most people probably won’t notice frames over 170 hz, but 120-144+ feels super nice, and is a lot easier to sustain.

During the Summer, I cap my in-game framerate to 120 hz, and now run AFMF2 to more reliably sustain my total FPS limit and reduce 1% lows, and it’s only a 5 ms addition.

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Thank you! I do not have AMD, but I am not planning on staying with AM4, I will just upgrade to 9600x3D in June~ 2025 or something. Might even quit gaming and get back into programming and web design if they do not buff frostbolt to do as much damage as Ice Lance by then. Also if Frostfire and spellslinger is still going to cleave, won’t be playing much either lol.