Possibly the most fried thing I have seen.
We not only lose 50% damage on an ability that would hit maybe 2.5m on 20m HP, but also 15% healing with ancient teachings when we use it.
RWK was not only about damage for mistweavers, it was about having something else and having a nice flowing rotation. RWK paired with the new vivacious vivification means that whenever we pressed RSK(RWK) we got a free instant 20% buffed vivify heal. This was changed last patch from a free instant buffed vivify every 10 seconds on a constant timer.
IF we end up changing to castweaver, which we most likely will, this means that we no longer have the option to use this talent unless we run in and rsk and get out.
Our mastery is heavily nerfed and does little to nothing anymore. Our jadefire stomp and actual FW build is basically useless due to other talents being flat out better. Castweaver is meh, especially in this meta, but hasn’t really been played much this season due to the changes we saw to our vivacious talent. Crackle is still going to hit 1m ticks and I am sure this will be complained about soon too even after everything we have lost.
Only pres is allowed to do damage I guess, because they hardly took any nerfs to their burst.
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RWK has been the same all expansion, and was fine.
What changed was twofold:
(1) Sheilun’s Gift being overhauled, allowing for Shaohao’s Lessons giving an instant burst CD on no CD.
(2) Crackle being omega buffed, such that it’s literally ticking for what RWK hits for.
Crackle burst & Shaohao are the problems. RWK was just fun and made the spec enjoyable.
Furthermore, the Vivacious Vivification change in 11.2 funneled most MW into hybrid/fist build by directly removing a core mechanic of castweaving (instant Vivify). Now RWK is no longer going to be viable because it will have bad damage and insufficient healing, so MW will be forced into a strictly worst castweaving playstyle rather than having several different playstyles all be viable.
It’s a terrible change that isn’t addressing the correct issues.
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I wouldve liked to see a healing buff to ancient teachings to compensate, leaving caster mw in tact, but not leaving a damage dealing playstyle totally neutered.
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They nerfed vivacious to make it so you HAVE to RSK/RWK to proc the buffed insta vivs and then they nerfed the ability that let you use it from range into uselessness.
Very low IQ, clueless design by the devs.
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I have a feeling they’re going to leave your spec and a handful of others in dire or broken states until the Midnight reworks. I do hope you guys don’t end up feeling really badly off after this nerf and that you get compensation if you do, don’t get me wrong.
Caster got gutted with the PvE change to instant vivify procced on RWK now which destroyed caster in PvP
Meanwhile, pres evoker was already doing the same damage almost as mw and no nerfs. lol
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If theres no healing compensation MW will just be cooked till midnight
it is a -50% dmg nerf (might be fair) and a -15% healing nerf (definitely NOT ok)
MW in the last 2 seasons is barely doing enough healing to keep team up, the sole purpose of the spec is to speed games up with dmg/orb and end the games quickly
I’m totally fine with the dmg nerf, but for the spec to even be barely viable there needs to be a +25% enveloping/renewing/vivify buff, or it will be completely worthless. It will be way worse than every other healing spec in the game, including archon hpriest.
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Yo, this is my first time ever posting to a forum about mw’s but…
This change actually guts mw’s hybrid playstyle with the recent changes to vivify. Not really sure what this accomplishes, as mw seemed to be only “op” in the 2’s bracket which you don’t really get rewarded for anyways and has always remained unbalanced and comp-dependent. This nerf to RWK and all the ancient teachings nerfs from the past year 1/2 have officially reverted mw’s to how they were back in shadowlands (useless, do nothing, sit back and heal spec, with NOW smaller throughput) Castweaving and Hybridweaving are dead and there needs to be some form of compensation to mw’s to alleviate the damages done to make it playable after this change… or else this spec will be completely useless in 3v3 arenas, and ultimately will NOT keep up with other healers that have more damage+more defensives+more utility.
rework the spec or alleviate changes. thnx
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Blizzard and nerfing monks while being extremely tone deaf and offering zero compensation is par for the course at this point
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Not only that they’ll do nerfs like that to one spec but for ret ha good luck getting any good nerfs to them.
These PvP devs are very low iq. It amazes me.
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I expected a compensation with the nerf, but I can’t lie and say I didn’t enjoy not seeing one. Fistweaver damage, especially for how unavoidable it is, needed to be brought in line and this does that to a solid degree. RWK is a awkward to counter, hard to see, ranged cone attack that hits like a truck with a low CD and then combos into very strong lightning damage. Something had to give and I’m glad they chose the 3 second CD move.
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they need to go back to dragonflight fw, that was the most fun I had playing monk. RWK is fun too, or should I say WAS lol, this spec is dead now
Dont forget the millions of VW priests and the Hpal doing passively ~80% of mw dmg
But certainly we need more nerfs
Still exist one build almost viable, we need to gut them too lol
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Wish they could be straight forward and say “stop playing this spec we dont wanna balance it”
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Just here to point out Jade Empowerment is bugged in PvP and sometimes give +2500% damage on CJL (even better than its +2000% in PvE) instead of the intended +1250%.
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Blizzard doesn’t want mw to be viable for arena.
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The truth is:
They want us all to play ret.
Its the Retapocalypse 2.0 bois
Lets all unite forces with the light crusade of 8 rets per 10 players
They just keep stacking nerfs too. Mastery nerf, everyone goes rwk. They nerf chi harmony for no reason. Then Vivification changes, now only viable is hybrid kick. They nerf kick, now we have no mastery, nerfed chi harmony, no isntant vivs and expect us to do what? Actually cringe
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