I think it depends on the ram he’s using with the 10105f. What Shiftydruid’s test confirms to me is that wow is sensitive to memory latency and bandwidth. I noticed a meaningful uplift in performance when swapping from an 11700k with DDR4 3000 to a 7800x3d with DDR5 6000 (also at 4k, but the GPU at the time was a 3080).
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I agree adding v-cache to the cpu die has improved performance in most games.
Had to look up the rx 580. It appears to be 10-20% slower than the gtx 980 that came out in 2014.
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No, what I said only applies to your first paragraph. There is always a balance to things.
i agree with you that upgrading the gpu should be the priority as noted in the previous comments.
In a nut shell, what I basically said is single core isn’t the only thing that matters, but the ability to access cached instructions quicker also plays a role
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Not really? I am just saying that CPU Choice matters more than GPU choice with MMOs like wow.
I am on the 7950x3d with rtx 4090 and my buddy is on the 7800X3D with the rtx 4080 and we both get practically identical frame rates no matter what we are doing we have tested this extensively. It’s pretty much proof that wow cares more about CPU than it does GPU. With that being said these are both high-end gpus. Obviously in any other game I blow past him but in World of Warcraft the upgrade from the 4080 to the 4090 even though it’s substantial doesn’t seem to matter.
This is because World of Warcraft is a CPU game it’s literally designed to run on high end CPUs with low end gpus which is what most pre-built configurations are
You can end up GPU bound in wow, but I’ve only ever managed to do it on an igp.
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“I am just saying that CPU Choice matters more than GPU choice with MMOs like wow.”
I’m sorry, but this is objectively incorrect.
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Depends. If you are talking a 2080 vs a 4080 then yes 100% upgrading that GPU will be a bigger uplift. However if you are talking a 4070ti or 4080 vs a 4090? then no CPU choice matters more in wow.
I already gave a good example of this above. WoW is a CPU based game.
When buying or upgrading a PC, the GPU choice will generally have a MUCH greater impact on gaming performance (wow included) than the CPU.
While this is true in general, wow is very often an exception to that rule (unless you have a substantially unbalanced setup, or your GPU doesn’t meet the vram requirements).
What I can say is that in wow, the RX580 can push more FPS than the i3 10105f can support.
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This was pretty much what I was trying to say but I could tell it was falling on deaf ears. So I just let it go. In 95% of all circumstances he would be right. However MMOs like WoW are an exception to that rule. They are designed to push the majority of the workload to the CPU not the GPU. This way Prebuilts with great CPUs but moderate GPUs will still get a good gaming experience. Most MMOs are designed this way
A RTX 4070ti vs a 4090 should show next to no difference in wow. Frame rates will be almost identical. However outside of wow the 4090 will blow it away. So keep in mind this is pure in WOW we are talking about.
Like I said above and like caps lock said unless its a severe underbalance like say a RTX 2060 vs RTX 4080 then yes there will 100% be a difference in wow.
Well, it depends on memory, since I think wow is highly memory sensitive.
Back when I was on my old desktop setup (11700k + 3080), It was CPU bound to the point where I was limited to getting the same FPS as I was on my laptop, which is an Apple M2 (great everyday/business SoC, but not the best for gaming)
In a way you are 100% right; but WoW is more just instructions per second latency sensitive. Which is why on the 7800x3D/7950x3D memory really doesnt matter the cache makes up for the slower memory. But on the 14900k you would need 8400mhz to compete with the 7800x3D. Which is why I couldnt quite beat the 7800x3D on a 14900k with 7600mhz.
14900k with 7800mhz Ram
i.imgur .com/lKW2ci7.jpg
7950x3D with 6000mhz Ram (Using Process Lasso with WoW set to CCD0)
i.imgur .com/lXaRYXC.png
What’t the CL timings on the kits you’ve been working with?
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CL36 on the 7800mhz (Stock XMP 2)
CL30 on the 6000mhz (Stock Expo 2)
G.skill Brand on Both Kits
That X3D cache does soo much for a game like WoW 
Its not just wow though. Various Reports show the X3D CPUs making Ram Speed almost irrelevant beyond 6000mhz
Yeah, that supports the idea that it’s really latency sensitive.
If it’s possible, I’d be interested in seeing the change on the intel platform if you can run that kit at 6000 CL 28.
If that’s a noticeable difference, it’s more bandwidth than latency, vs if it’s the same it’s more latency.
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Sadly I cant test it anymore. I had the 14900k Platform and on the last day I returned it for the 7950x3D and have 0 regrets doing so. With that said… I used the opportunity to take advantage of having both platforms and thoroughly tested them before I returned my 14900k and Motherboard.
Yeah. I’ve got my current setup, and no plans to change it until at least Zen 6 (maybe going back intel if they manage to do something that’s actually interesting again) and the RTX 60 series.
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If the 9950x3D is as good as “rumors” claim and it has the die on BOTH CCDs? I may just move to that otherwise Im right there with you on waiting for Zen6. AMD claims 9000 series X3D will launch in September. My guess is they are trying to get the jump on Arrow Lake with them
At the same time, a claimed 16% average uplift isn’t enough to make me feel like dropping another $4-500 to upgrade a component I just got a year ago (assuming they launch for the holidays).
Also, outside of wow, the 4080 (or the monitor refresh rate) is generally the limiting factor for me.
Thats the non X3D chips. Its also about how the rework the X3D die when it comes to gaming. AMD claims the 9000 series X3D will be a ground up redesign and improvement. Those could net quite a bit of uplift in gaming.
As usual only time will tell. Im taking all this info with a grain of salt until I can test one in person. If Im not happy with the 9950x3D or it doesnt give me a noticeable advantage in gaming? I will simply return it. But I intend to buy it at launch