This would probably help to make the best of a bad situation. The devs DID say that they would possible adjust the amount of loot that drops if this system doesn’t go as well as everyone wants, but they also said that they could pull the ripcord on SL’s systems and later denied that said ripcord exists, so…
I was told this didn’t happen and now everyone magically got more loot out of the same number of pieces dropping as before.
It was Magical you see. 
If there are winners, there’s bound to be losers.
Lol… yeah. Hey at least they found that missing ripcord eventually. 
Playing classic along side retail has really made it shown how coddled and insecure some of these retail players are.
The idea of loot dropping, people roll, move to the next boss so awful to them.
Even with way more protections than existed in the older, and much more successful, version of the game.
It’s funny to watch.
They have to set their loot spec to Prot to do that, and that also means if a 2h wep or dps trinket drops they can’t roll need on it because arms/fury is now considered their offspec.
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EZ CLAP! /10
I get that and as someone who played from vanilla you did have people come into a group and say “Hey, I’ll tank… but I want to roll on dps stuff? Or I’ll heal, but I want to roll on xyz”
Maybe we’ll return to that? Although I feel like people will use the loot priority as an excuse “oops. I didn’t realize I was specialized to dps/tank/healer” and roll need.
Back in the day when realm boards were still used AND when you could actually TALK ABOUT A USER and not get banned or censored most realm boards had a NINJA LOOTER thread to specifically call out players for either looting something if everything agreed to pass and then /roll or for needing something everyone agreed to ‘greed’ or outside of their spec (if not asking beforehand)
I thought it prioritized main spec. So if you’re a tank inside the instance, it would give the healing trinket to a healer inside the instance before it would go to the tank.
That’s how it’s supposed to work I thought. It’s probably not working as intended
Hah yep! I loved personal loot. I will rebel against a bad loot system by proving how bad it truly is!
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Personal loot was great. I never really felt that bad not getting loot with personal loot, because you don’t see the rolls and how you constantly lose with sub 50 rolls. Now it just feels bad.
First of all, reported, second of all YOU’RE COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT.
The thing is you can change your loot spec now. If I my class has a healer role I can change it to that spec and roll now lol.
RNG doing RNG things.
Using a single week with just your own experience to draw conclusions from.
This happened in the past as well. In fact you couldn’t even not “need” and give other people more chance at loot.
You mainspec roll for your current loot spec. If a dps received tank items over a tank who was in tank lootspec, that means he didn’t have a chance to get dps items.
I’ve had this happen countless times with personal loot as well.
It does.
But you can select your main (loot) spec, which can be different than the spec you are in.
For example I can heal a raid as mistweaver but set my loot spec to windwalker.
Now the “need” rolls will only work on windwalker dps gear. Mistweaver healing gear (and brewmaster tank gear) would get treated as greed rolls.
Being able to change your loot spec has been in the game for many years so it’s just part of how that works.
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I wonder what problems would occur if they removed loot specc’ing?
Seems to me the system would work better if our needs only prioritized the spec we killed the boss in or something.
It wasn’t a problem under PL, why is it a problem now?
Eh, I don’t know if that would be better since getting tanks and healers is hard enough.
Having people heal so the run actually happens even if they want to gear their dps spec helps facilitate groups being made.
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The reason I prefer personal loot in LFR is that it’s instantaneous when I go to loot a corpse or chest. Visually, I have immediate confirmation if I have received something that I can either wear, vendor trash or if I am an enchanter, disenchant the item.
Group loot means I still have the visuals of seeing rather or not if loot drops, but with the added bonus of, “Haha, you don’t get this item that you may desperately need”, dangled in front of your face for potentially five minutes while one last person holds out by not clicking Need/Greed.
Even if the percentages of actually receiving a piece of gear that is a legitimate upgrade, to me, it just feels crappier to see said item dangled in front of you and then potentially taken away from you. That was always frustrating to me.
Yes, it’s nice that you can only roll need on an item if it’s an upgrade to you, but I’d rather have an instantaneous answer instead of having my hopes crushed and having to wait 3-5 minutes extra for it.
If you are a mog hunter, LFR probably isn’t the route for you any longer if you are on a geared toon.
Even if the percentiles of receiving beneficial loot may very well be similar under the hood, I still dislike the group loot option being in LFR. I understand why they implemented it in Normal, Heroic and Mythic raid groups, as that content is not queueable.
I just think it feels awkward and out of place in LFR, I don’t really care for the change.
It’s fine if you like the changes, I’m happy for you. I think I gave clear cut reasons as to why I personally don’t like it. That doesn’t mean I’m saying the percentages and chances of receiving an upgrade in gear is exponentially better one way or another, because I’m not saying that at all. I just hate group loot in LFR for the reasons outlined above. No one will change my mind about that, I just don’t like it.
I will adapt though and not complain about it further, because that’s what I do when huge changes are made. I vented, now I feel better. 
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Is there a reason to be defending the loot rules? If it doesnt matter either way then the change wasnt needed in the first place
People who don’t need the loot aren’t eligible to roll on it. Under the PL system they were included in the loot roll. The new system limits the eligible pool to those who can use it and is an upgrade for their declared main spec. This goes a long way to getting loot to the right people rather than someone vendoring or disenchanting it afterwards.
These changes are definitely an improvement, at least for LFR and pug style raids. Remains to be seen how loot drama unfolds in guilds though. Moggers and enchanters won’t be so happy but people who are looking for loot have a better chance now than they did under PL.
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