4 "New" M+ is unacceptable

[Nikolo-proudmoore]

Old Dungeons Returning as Mythic+ Dungeons in Dragonflight Season 1

@Silverleigh-drakthul

Does anyone have links for any of this?

[Wariya-stormrage (Wariya)]

@Warloff-alexstrasza

27-28% of player profiles got Keystone Explorer in seasons 1 and 2.

That shockingly bad for over all, so I guess 20+ runners are what 5 %

[Silverleigh-drakthul]

Thank you.

I would like you but I am out. Will bookmark and like as soon as I can but they keep moving the goalposts on me.

[Sabbia-moonrunner (Sabbia)]

Wow, yikes.

Whats funny is I called this a while back lol.

[Sairadoka-bonechewer (Sairadoka)]

The thing I don’t like about weaving in old dungeons during Season 1 is that it feels like a bit of a tell.

We’re going to get a Mega dungeon, sure. And that will be split.

But then we’re either getting two new dungeons over the course of DF (like we did in Legion) or NONE (Like we did in SL)

S1: First 4 DF and 4 TW, new dungeon in 10.1
S2: Other 4 DF and 4 new TW, introduction of Mega dungeon and new dungeon in 10.2
S3: The new DF dungeons and the split Mega Dungeon, and 4 new TW
S4: All 10 DF dungeons and both Mega Dungeon wings

I hope my prediction is right but it feels like slow rolling the content into M+ like that gives them a reason to not release new dungeons because it keeps the debut dungeons feeling newer for longer?

[Lulziepew-tichondrius]

Just for reference and a view from the other side. I couldn’t care less about this if I tried and I thought the announcement was great overall.

I am a casual player. This just goes to show you can’t please everyone all the time.

[Warloff-alexstrasza]

This doesn’t seem like a good move. The key question is why is Blizzard doing this and it just doesn’t seem like “more variety for players” is the honest answer.

I’d be down for all launch dungeons in season 1 and and a remix in season 2.

[Critswalkin-cenarius (Critswalkin)]

If they reuse classic, TBC or WotLK dungeons than many of those dungeons will be new to a lot of players. Dungeons also play completely different in M+. I like this proposed change as grinding the same dungeons can start to feel toxic. It’s a huge reason why I’ve done a lot less M+ this season compared to S1 and S2.

[Corbendallas-area-52]

@Lìlíth-caelestrasz

hate to say it but gotta be honest most of the playerbase don’t care about Mythic+ like I know this is a fact that a lot of people seem too refuse too accept especially in MMO communities but most players are casual log in for maybe a few hours a week at most and don’t have time for things like Mythic+ just log in talk too friends whilst doing some of the more accessible and quick content

Source?

2 million characters have done an m+ dungeon this season. I’d say that’s the majority of the people left

[Nikolo-proudmoore]

@Warloff-alexstrasza

This doesn’t seem like a good move. The key question is why is Blizzard doing this and it just doesn’t seem like “more variety for players” is the honest answer.

The important part of this that they didn’t address is if all 8 Dragonflight dungeons will be available in normal and heroic difficulties at launch.

If they are not, I would agree that there is more to this decision

[Warloff-alexstrasza]

@Sairadoka-bonechewer

S1: First 4 DF and 4 TW, new dungeon in 10.1
S2: Other 4 DF and 4 new TW, introduction of Mega dungeon and new dungeon in 10.2

It’s very optimistic of you to think they will patch 2 new dungeons and a mega dungeon.

Maybe if 10.0 actually launches with four dungeons?

[Sentenzà-illidan]

@Sairadoka-bonechewer

The thing I don’t like about weaving in old dungeons during Season 1 is that it feels like a bit of a tell.

It’s absolutely a tell. I would bet Dragonflight only has three raid tiers and they do this seasonal affix raid nonsense for 10.2.5 again. Blizzard is trying to normalize WoD level content. They will fail. The truth is that Blizzard needs to make more content than they’re willing to make. Legion was basically a fluke.

[Eregesh-cenarion-circle]

@Golgamyth-wyrmrest-accord

We are entitled to

You are entitled to nothing except being able to play the game. Period, end. What you do with it is up to you, not up to them.

[Rainsóng-area-52]

Or, they could make 8 new ones, and then add 4 more new ones. And cut 4 of the original ones out. I guess I missed this part of the presentation but I am not happy about having to do 4 old instances in a current xpac at launch. That freaking sucks.

[Warloff-alexstrasza]

@Sentenzà-illidan

Legion was basically a fluke.

The reality is that this game entered a maintenance mode of sorts with BFA. Legion was the last time they had a major marketing campaign and they really pulled out all the stops to push the envelope with WoW. Those efforts failed and subs dropped compared to WoD.

With BFA, SL, and now Dragonflight we’ve seen less and less ambition. Fewer zones. Fewer dungeons. More of the expected. As Ion said, they’re now “curators” not creators.

[Rainsóng-area-52]

@Warloff-alexstrasza

As Ion said, they’re now “curators” not creators.

That is not at all what he meant and you are taking that quote completely out of context.

[Khazgul-barthilas]

Pretty unhappy with this tbh

I don’t want 4 old dungeons and I don’t want the 4 new dungeons to go away after season 1

Just give us all 8 pls

M+ players don’t care about running the same 8 dungeons all expansion, we know what we’re signing up for?

8 dungeons and a mega dungeon split into 2 M+ runs, perfect.

I’m guessing they either won’t have the other 4 ready in time, or it won’t make sense in the story to have them at launch?

Regardless, pretty unhappy with their choice here

[Cerms-aegwynn]

lmao why are you hating on the raiders. They’ll be hurt from this change aswell.
Don’t hate the players, hate the game.

[Sairadoka-bonechewer (Sairadoka)]

It shouldn’t be optimistic of me.

SL was one Mega dungeon ahead of WoD for content.

And didn’t the interview say they’re planning on 8 dungeons on launch, AND the Uldaman revamp? (Personally I’d revamp End Time but whatever)

[Spagooter-hyjal]

I think they basing it around score and 8 dungeons fits 2k io nicely.

Id rather more dungeons. 8 new but only 4 in the season is no bueno. Legion and bfa had way more.