3rd Faction Undead

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So where will the undead stand after this… I have a thought here to have some consideration, obviously Azeroth would have to be healed by the end of Battle for Azeroth because we only have one Azeroth ;]

Now there could be a whole expansion about this, just saying blizzard,

3 Factions: Alliance, Horde, and Undead (Warcraft RTS roots)
Undead have been banished from the horde for their lack of honor and consideration of life. Clearly the actions of them during BFA are unforgivable and to never be forgotten. As well the alliance are in mutual agreement.

Who would the Undead be?
Faction would be labelled as undead(player base) and the races would be remastered undead of all races that have been resurrected and bent to the banshee’s will, undead Orcs, Taurens, Humans, Elves, Trolls, Gnomes(LOL LEPER GNOMES) and Dwarves.

Classes:
Regular classes would apply to the undead races excluding: paladins, priests, druids and shamans.

Undead would receive a new class called Necromancer in place of priest and death knights would have a healing spec added into them in exchange for Paladins. Val’kyr could probably be worked in as well.

Necromancer character could have endless dark reanimating abilities to rehabilitate their allies to keep them fighting as a priest or druid.

The Wars:
The struggle of life versus death, questions of mortality and your loved ones whom are still alive. As there are irreconcilable differences between undeath and living relations both the Alliance and Horde have declared war on the Undead.

A power struggle between Bolvar Fordragon and Sylvanas. Sylvanas challenges the wills of all potential forsaken to her will, which instigates Fordragon to no longer be dormant as he is fighting a struggle to keep the forsaken from ravaging the lands with Sylvanas.

In regards to the Bolvar versus the Alliance and Horde they are now at war with Bolvar thickening his ranks by reanimating the dead of the Horde and Alliance long gone to bolster his ranks in his fight against Sylvanas(I am sure there are many LOAs that can be worked with from Magni to Bwonsamdi tortured crying for help as they’re being torn apart by Sylvanas and Bolvar). With the aggression of the Horde and Alliance being at war to stop Sylvanas they find themselves locked in battle against Bolvar over clear irreconcilable differences of living vs dead no matter who is their leading lich.

As well this can also build off of the lore from Taelia Fordragon and relationship with her father. The new found lich king who’s only purpose is to protect his living daughter causes him to no longer be dormant, and annihilate who ever gets in the way of his fight against Sylvanas. As he fights for power. Which possibly then leads to Bolvar trying to play god and keep peace in the realm. This also can help mitigate wrath between Bolvar and the Horde etc…

Home Zones:
Darnassus (Capital City), Darkshore, Felwood, Ashenvale, Eastern Plague Lands, Western Plague Lands, Hillsbrad Foothills, and Tirisfal Glades/UC(Capital City)

Zone Reworks vs Expansion Content

The whole game would have to be reconsidered in regards to expansions, possibly even level cap and level scaling in zones.

Gilneas is refortified by the Night Elves and the Worgens as they are consistently combatting their undead enemies to the North, Aszuna and Val’Sharah would be changed to Night Elf Zones and possibly a rebuilt Aszuna as a capital city on the Broken Isles for the night elves finding refuge in Black Rook Hold or with Farondis.

I hope this could be enough to paint a picture.

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I’m not so sold on this.

First of all, the undead can use the powers of the holy light, even if it brings about excruciating pain. It’s faith in its most devout form, for them to do so. Hence why undead can be priests. Paladins would be nice, but it don’t matta.

Secondly, the Forsaken are way, way more in-depth as a society and in their way of life. What is portrayed in BFA is the worst aspect of the Forsaken; broken, spited people who have chosen to become the very monsters they were accused of being. It doesn’t help that “Before the Storm” destroyed a very fundamental part of Forsaken culture, with the introduction of “THE THOUGHT POLICE”, sweeping up every bit of nuance to the Forsaken story, stuffing it into a group called the Desolate Council, then offing all of them in one page of a book to prop up Lightforged Undead Calia Menethil.

The Forsaken belong right where they are. I wouldn’t boogie to this idea.

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Just a thought, with the current situation at hand it will not pan out very good for the undead. What I am suggesting is breathing life into the forsaken and having them revamped as their own where people can embrace their way of life without having to deal with prejudice from the horde. According to RTS games they’re pretty much their own faction same with Night elves… but this is me trying to paint a picture of what I could see. Its not something that I believe everyone will embrace as their own.

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They wouldn’t be anything… becaue if the Horde casts them out, they’ll unite with the Alliance to finish what the Scarlet Brotherhood started.

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the best case scenario at this point is classic going AU or something to retcon all the awful things that have been done, a new faction doesn’t solve anything

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A new faction makes sense lorewise, but if the game were driven by a story rather than the structure of the game, we would’ve seen many people secede from the Alliance and Horde much sooner than this. So no, I don’t believe we’ll be seeing a third faction this far down the line. I think the undead will remain in the Horde and either:

A) Have some questline to explain “we’re not the monsters Sylvanas was!” or something, then never speak of what they did again.

B) Have zero explanation as to why they’re still present sans Sylvanas, and just be there like the leaderless Orcs and Trolls have been since Garrosh and Vol’jin died respectively.

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there will never be a third faction.

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Weeeeelll, if they do break off and make a third faction, it’ll be treated just like the Dark Horde/Fel Horde/True Horde/Iron Horde were.

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I’m down with a Third Faction, and think it will be predominantly undead, but only because I think that’s what Sylvanas will do when she’s ousted from the Horde. I think any Horde loyal to her will be able to choose her faction (who will mostly be Forsaken, Trolls and Blood Elves), and anyone who joins her may accept the gift of undeath. I think her endgame is to fight the Void, and she’ll end up taking on the mantle of Lich Queen once Bolvar dies. Something may happen in the Alliance, and some faction leaders or portion of the faction may join her, either as living, or raised as undead. I’m still basically convinced that the expansion ends with the destruction of Stormwind and the raising of a new undead army as Sylvanas planned. Raised Night Elves, new and old San’layn, etc join the faction.

This is my hope anyway. I’d love to join the Forsaken as a faction. I think if they did it, it would have the effect of keeping players invested in the next Warcraft RTS game, so that everyone has a faction that they could be aligned with on an ideological level.

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wont happen. just stop

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Putting aside the fact that blizzard isn’t going to go through with adding a new faction, I seriously don’t see how this makes sense lorewise.
Neither the Horde nor the Alliance is going to put up with such a faction. The undead have to raise others to keep their numbers up, both factions will want to bring the hammer down on them just for that. Sylvanas joined the Horde because she knew that the forsaken were living on borrowed time unless they got protection from a larger group. Initially even the other members of the Horde didn’t want them till some of the tauren felt pity for them.

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Here’s the thing … I’m honestly not sure who would lead such a faction. With Sylvie’s history (and preferences), while she may “care” for the Forsaken to some degree by this point, there has always been this implicit limit to that. That’s not even getting into the factor of both other factions just likely NOT being tolerant of such a faction; especially if Sylvanas herself is a leader within it.

They MUST remain useful to her personal motivations and “True Objectives” for her to look out for them. If they cease to be (or become irrelevant to those plans) … then honestly she’ll likely do what she always does and abandons those things that are no longer of use to her (and yes, that does include her “Mongrel Race of Rotten Corpses”). And this … causes a major problem, as well as it being part of the reason I think Sylvie will not die in BfA, but wont be Horde by the end.

I am actually of the mind that her “Endgame” has now become one that neither will benefit (or necessarily require) the Forsaken people. Whatever path she set herself on with Teldrassil’s burning, she is now committed to (and it certainly is unlikely that path will turn out to be beneficial for the Horde; and perhaps even the Forsaken race). If that’s true … both groups may be facing a massive betrayal from her soon (perhaps even pushing Blightcaller away from her).

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No there’s not gonna be a third faction.

Just try and retcon bfa, retcon it to hell and back.

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basically this, plus even if there was a new faction, they wouldn’t withhold classes from it or make brand new ones for it.

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