2v2 has significantly lower quality gameplay than 3v3. The meta is to pick the most flavor of the month DPS and pair it with the strongest healer and there’s very little variation in that. Windwalkers one shotting with procs? Que into nothing but ww/healer
Bm hunter capable of winning with the least thought required possible in a video game? Bm/healer
Arms warrior doing overtuned damage and having the best possible defensive toolkit for instant dampening? War/healer
You get some other stuff sometimes, the rogue/mage a feral/disc but it’s few and far between. The reasons people fotm is 2s is because it’s a lot easier to reroll BM/rdru war/rsham ww/priest and get your imaginary good at game points than to play your main. This is mostly because in 2v2 the game is a lot slower and win conditions are slower to achieve and clear enough that with 2 good players voice chat is completely unnecessary.
I’ve never pushed 2s higher than 2300 it’s not enjoyable for me to take the bracket seriously but I do play it a lot as a way to just play the game maybe gear some friends I couldn’t care less about bombing my CR but this is not the case for everyone. On all social media where the game is discussed people are concerned in 2s to include these forums. How rare is a 3v3 related thread popping up?
The only thing I can come up with is it’s easier to que up with just one other person and it’s easier to bang out your seasonal goals in 2s. No offense to anyone but the most mediocre players can hit 1800 in 2s unlocking the set and those players can instantly move up to 2.1 by rolling fotm.
Considering these same people despise the game I refuse to believe more than a handful of smart players actually prefer the bracket. It’s just an easy way to play and cheese out good boy points
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The concern is that with 2v2 participation higher than 3s and the introduction of soloq 3v3 will dry up further. If they move to balance towards soloq and 2v2 class design will get worse as specs will need to be even more similar for it to be fair. The death of 3v3 would be the end of arena every being good again. Even as it stands now 3s is much better gameplay and every single spec in the game is capable of gladiator much more so than getting the equivalent ladder position in 2s.
Big ramble but y’all will get the point enough to make some absurd claim that 2s is better than 3s
Tldr:
Make 2s better. Keep 3s the highlight and do not add soloq
I prefer 2s because I have no friends on Ally. Also, joking aside, it feels significantly easier to coordinate with one person than two for scheduling purposes.
So you have a bias against it already, as well as not having high experience in 2s.
A lot of players would disagree. It is the most played bracket afterall.
I think 2s should be the highlight, as it is the most played bracket. I see streamers also playing 2s more than 3s, which means they seem to enjoy it in their free time as well!
Blizzard should start balancing around 2s and make 2s reward a gladiator mount!
If they’re able to fix these aspects of the game (without having the dependency of borrowed power), and balancing is done with some serious thought, this game would see some tremendous improvement instantly.
If this is the conclusion you drew based on observing streamers, you’ve displayed enough idiocy for us to dismiss anything you’ve wrote.
Don’t you think accessibility factors in to this?
Finding a partner for 2v2 is much easier due to the lack of players these days.
What about the streamer(s) utilizing the 2s brackets for carries and viewer games?
Majority of PvP streamers prefer displaying 2s only for fun and interactivity with their viewers or possibly with the intent to help someone reach goals quickly. Their main cr currently lies in 3s, so you wouldn’t find many streaming 3s unless they’re actually playing with their friends or with people around their cr.
The PvP arena venue has mostly always been designed around 3v3 combat. To make 2v2 the ideal bracket of the game would instantly kill many people’s desire to play the game. You shouldn’t be judging what is good or bad for the game based on streamer activities. Use your brain please.
I think that, like a lot of posts like these from certain individuals, these are all strawman arguments meant to simply cause unrest and waste people’s time.
As a healer I honestly don’t mind fighting WW healer (its just a little easier to track their stuff in 2s and trade accordingly than 3s) and any warr team as long as the healer isn’t an rdruid.
The actual menace in high rated 2s is bm/healer and then any really good double DPS. Like fire mage feral, spriest boom, hunter/sub, rogue/mage etc.
All ur points are valid Amatox, but at the end of the day, the game itself is killing the 3v3 bracket. If cross faction Qing comes into play same time as solo Q, it will help boost participation up some I guess, but the game is just bad.
They have made big strides in the conquest alt boxes, conquest boost for the remainder of this season, etc but even all the stupid character preparation stuff aside, I think a good bit of players that have left just don’t find Slands gameplay fun.
When I play my warlock, i just die to stuff like WW/War off a SCK bone dust brew through dark pact… so dumb. When I play my ret pally with my warr bro it’s a bit more enjoyable but it just feels so mechanical, press everything ride momentum…. It seems like no matter what I play, win or lose, I’m just straight up not having a good time in shadowlands. Which is why I don’t really play, haven’t played more than 3 hours in a month
The real reason all of the above exists is because LFG is a horrible system that requires hours of wait time for minutes of gameplay.
People want solo queue because it allows them to play the game. Nobody wants 3v3 to die, it would in fact be the end of WoW PvP in general. People just want to play.
Yeah I think you accurately described my opinion but something else id like to add. Is in a burstier meta. 2s makes it feel easier for me to learn than 3s as a healer. especially if your team doesn’t cc the goes very well.
