I noticed that most (if not all) top logs in Warcraftlogs are using DW. How much difference is there between 2H vs DW?
It’s enough that at the same item level you’ll want to go with dual wielding.
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Sim yo self
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Unless you are doing top end content like m15+ and cleaning mythic raid am winging a month of release just use the weapon you like. For us mortals the damage difference is not going to matter for the content we do.
I play dual wield on my monk simply because I find the mog looks better and I been saying a staff all throughout DF I want a change
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Does enchants make a difference? Since you can put two enchants when dual wielding or does proc chance get doubled with 2h weapons?
If so you can save money on expensive enchants.
Yes, being able to have double enchants and more procs from the Dual Threat talent are part of what makes Dual Wielding better right now.
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DW comes with an extra enchant and faster auto attacks leading to more procs and energy gains leaving it the clear winner hands down.
Does this also apply to Brewmaster? Or is there some hidden value / talent, etc that would make staves better for them?
Dual Threat is a Windwalker talent, so that wouldn’t apply to Brewmaster.
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Why do people always say this…. It’s redundant.
Like there is a list of all droppable gear, through that gear there is ( and I don’t know it ) all best in slot gear.
What I would love for once is for someone to create a clear gear set of what pieces of gear you should aim for to have the best mixture of stats you could possible have. Like we used to back in the day.
Sim yo self almost make me believe that the community doesn’t want to be wrong.
Not to mention simming yourself is quite confusing. The amount of work it took me to figure out how to use it, couple with the premium member ship to be able to select all dungeons / raids .
I think I’m going to buck the system I’m going to do two sim a season to include all possible gear drops. One for single target and one for multi target the anytime I see someone ask the question I’m going to link that one document.
While it may not be wholly accurate in all situations I do believe it will be more accurate than saying sim yo self every time someone asks a gear related question.
Those exist, you sim the drops that aren’t from your bis list. Almost any guide site has lists of bis gear.
Using the raidbots best gear sim is definitely lame. If you look towards the bottom of their site, you can quickly sim your dps or stat weights. Raidbots warns that stat weights are less accurate, which they are, but using the Best Gear sim without the subscription sucks. I basically only use it to sim trinkets, since they don’t really fit into stat weights.
Your last sentence is wrong, sorry. But if you don’t care about tiny % differences in your performance, then it doesn’t matter.
I think you may misunderstand my point.
Which is there is prolly a beneficial set of gear for raid or mythics. I believe either set of gear will carry well enough to yield good result no matter the content.
Raid boss with adds go to your mythic gear. Mythic keys go to mythic gear. Raid boss go to single target gear.
Keeping it simple is best however when you sim it asks you the specific content you are running couple by number of mobs, so there might be situations where this trinket is best when facing 3 or less mobs but this other trinket is good when facing 5 or more mobs type situation.
There is, I didn’t misunderstand anything. It’s called BiS, best in slot, gear. Go to the Wowhead guide for your spec and you will see a list of the best set of gear you can acquire. There’s one for raid and mythics. Icy veins has one too. You can find your best gear yourself, if that’s what’s confusing, but these sites have simmed the gear and come up with Best in Slot lists.
You sim your gear drops that don’t align with your BiS gear (or if you have questions like why top WW’s prefer to dual wield).
So since I’m the one that does most of the guides, I’m probably best equipped to handle this.
In ye olden days we used to come up with a “Best-In-Slot” list by simming every combination of piece. Our computers would smoke and it would take hours or days, but it would get done.
The main reason that we did this was because it gave people things to aim for. However, the number of gear that is available at a set item level has grown significantly what it used to be with the advent and expansion of Mythic+. Instead of having 2-3 pieces to consider per slot, now we have 5-6 or even more. This means the potential combinations have grown so exponentially high that you’d need a NASA computer to figure out a true list of the best combination of gear, enchants, gems, food, flask, potion, and whatever else I’m missing. So for that reason, a true “BiS” list is not feasible.
Another huge reason why that’s a silly thing to do is that we found over years of testing, that the journey to that perfect gear set may be less damage until you hit that point, which is often unattainable until content is so thoroughly on farm, that it’s almost irrelevant.
Any BiS list has to pick an arbitrary set of parameters, whether that’s a set item level for all pieces, looking at pieces from one or all available content, pieces at their highest maximum item level, including or excluding things like tertiaries or random chance sockets.
For example, and I’ll use hypotheticals, but these are from more than a decade of experience leading this community and guide writing;
- Set A is the highest potential damage with sockets on everything, all gear at maximum mythic item level, and the best pieces.
- If you exclude the sockets that can randomly proc on drops, then it’s possible for Set B without those sockets to be better than a Set A without those sockets.
- Set C could be best until you get a super rare trinket from the last boss of the raid that makes Set A the best of the best.
In these scenarios, would you rather stick with a in-progress Set A in the hopes that you get all those stars aligning eventually and hitting that perfect maximum? Or would you rather go with Set B or Set C that will give you more damage in the meantime?
Most of the time these Sets are a fraction of a % off from each other, but it can be bigger than that.
With the advent of Raidbots and the extraordinary tools we have available to us, it is significantly faster and infinitely more likely to be accurate to suggest that people sim their character and the gear they have available to them in that moment, than to give them an answer based on a hypothetical that most people won’t have access to and even those who do have access may never see.
And as the one who came up with the lists on WoWhead and IcyVeins, I can assure you that most of us make those up as best guesses based on the arbitrary requirements of those sites and not hours and days worth of simming.
None of my “BiS” Lists include embellishments, crafted items, or things from the Catalyst, but that certainly doesn’t mean you should never use an embellishment, never craft, and never use the catalyst.
The communities, and those of us that lead them, don’t want to be wrong. We don’t want to tell people that Item X is better than Item Y when Item Y is best for their character right now.
Its a math based game with increasingly complex math that is far beyond the capabilities of humans, so we rely on the tools built by others.
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Awesome response, thank you!
Because I know you have a lot of experience mathing it out I thought I would ask if you have done the math on the ilvl breakpoint for 2H vs 2 x 1H, with the main considerations being:
- Dual threat
- Double enchants
- Item lvl
Not asking you to do it, just thought I’d ask in case you already had.
It’s generally been enough in favor to just recommend using 1H all the time. There is technically a breakpoint where 2h would be better, but with the ideal embellishment being on a weapon, it just makes sense to craft a 1H with it and not worry about 2h weapons at all.
But, to keep with the theme of above, the best thing to do is to sim what you have available to determine what’s best.
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