Hey I’m sure everyone has seen this thread a thousand times, expansion after expansion but I got something to get off my chest. What happened to diversity within specs? Now i don’t mean the 3 specs most classes have but different play styles being available for a spec. For instance back in Vanilla WoW 2H shaman was a popular Battleground class and montage maker many of the shaman videos of Vanilla and the few expansions after that you were still able to use Stormstrike with 2H weapons. Well that has changed and so has the spec, now shamans kit revolves around overcharge which isn’t even a usable passive with a 2H weapon since shamans are not able to use Stormstrike to get the dps and utility benefits it brings. Now some of you are probably thinking just don’t use 2H weapons or wait for Classic WoW but thats not the point of this post my point is that in an RPG I should be allowed to make the choice. I also feel like a choice so simple as deciding between 1 or 2H weapon greatly impacts my game-play. I returned to WoW after not playing since Cataclysm and was hoping to come back and still be able to play it and continue a journey into BFA with a 2H shaman. I had really had my hopes as we lost our artifact weapons going into BFA I was hoping for diversity to come back to weapons in some classes with looser restrictions around weapons. For example; Frost DK 2H, Fury War 1H, Hell even 1H survival hunter(huge reach) but we used to have all these choices as players a long time ago at different points in this games life span. I just feel as players we have helped to keep WoW running for 14 years now some of you(many) putting way more time and $$ into this game than me, and like many of you probably feel like you’re restricted within something like an RPG where you should have the freedom to chose something as simple as what weapon you can use. Why allow us to still equip these weapons if there is restrictions around the abilities within our specs even though in the past these spec weapon pairings weren’t ever too strong and revolved around certain weapons being strong within the meta of the game. I feel no love for my class really and leveling a Shaman it isn’t playable in the way that I once enjoyed it in the past which is unfortunate but change happens and I get that, but I just feel like changes to weapon pairings within specs would be a good change to class design in BFA and add a lot of new variables to fights and bring back a lot of the Nostalgia that players love.
Also with the release of Classic dated for this coming Summer it wouldn’t be bad to be bring back some of the weapon diversity that players really enjoyed about Vanilla up to Cataclysm, I think Blizzard would make a lot of players happy in the long run reverting a lot of the one-handed and two-handed restrictions on abilities that were changed over time. Weapon play was huge in Classic and one of the things players are going to be looking forward to diving back into, I don’t think it would hurt to let players get a taste of those freedoms back into their games.
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It’d be helpful to break up that wall of text some. I skimmed enough to get the overall point and I agree. Normally I’d post on my DK in this DK forum, but you also mentioned SMF fury so I’m posting on my warrior this time.
I love being able to dw 2h weapons on this warrior. I’m not exactly happy with using 1h weapons other than my one set of warglaives from BT that I was enjoying in BC timewalking before SMF was pruned from fury during the Legion pre-patch. Despite that, I still feel that it’s important to have the option to use SMF fury for those that prefer to dw 1h weapons.
Regarding DKs, I’ve always preferred using a 2h weapon as frost and it bothers me when I can’t effectively use a 2h weapon. I don’t like unholy both playstyle-wise and the fact that they have a permanent pet. At this point, with the exception of fury warriors (where I want SMF fury restored as it used to be in MoP/WoD), I’d be fine with a cosmetic option to xmog to the weapon types that each spec was able to previously use effectively (2h frost, dw blood/unholy, 2h ww monk, dw bm monk, etc.).
Gameplay-wise I think that having 2 separate playstyles based on weapon type was a mistake for frost DKs and I’m glad that is gone, but I wish that hadn’t happened at the cost of my frost dk no longer being able to effectively use a 2h weapon.
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Yeah Pretty much my point was with the pruning going into Legion with the abilities only being usable with whatever your artifact weapon was essentially with no flexibility to weapon choice. Granted some classes/spec weapon pairings were really strong at different points, 2H frost in WOTLK was very strong but I feel that they could balance this a little differently and keep the flexibility in class weapon pairings there used to be talents that made these pairings too strong but if you just make these weapons usable but with no passives within the talent tree like frosts old 2H or 1H weapon talents, I don’t see them out performing.
I can’t see why they can’t just simply revert a lot of these changes they had made going into Legion, it would be better for play-ability so that we the players have more choices we can make while playing our Class it is an RPG after all player choices effecting play should be a normal thing thats all.
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There are a dozen threads with literally hundreds of pages of pros and cons as to why the changes were made. There is no reason to start another one of these threads which will inevitably devolve into a dumpster fire.
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Fun detected, destroy fun. RPG elements to strong. Exterminate.
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Start of an expansion and before we get patched seems like the best time to make threads like this like please when would a better time be? and don’t say never because then you’re just being randomly adjacent to changes and should keep random negativity out.
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Once again I would direct you to the handful of threads with hundreds of pages as to why. You arent taking a new or dramatically different point of view on the subject. Also I’ve seen your other thread in the shaman forum about 2h enhance so clearly you are either trolling or just trying to stir up drama.
Seems like the majority of players prefer 2H frost. Personally I think 2h frost fits the fantasy of a DK way better aesthetically as well. Blizzard either disagrees with this, or are unwilling to change it because of the work it would take to update all the animations. Either way, they are definitely aware of the feedback considering they extended the other thread about it, and if there is ever any change it will be in 9.0 at the very least.
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The problem with your argument is you are confusing a vocal minority with the silent majority. Most players don’t care if Frost is 2h, DW, or throwing Bananas as long as it is putting up competitive dps. The people who swear they dont care if Frosts dps is competitive or not so long as they get their precious 2h frost back are either lying or planning to move the goal posts should Blizzard have even entertained their sentiment.
As far as you feeling as though 2h Frost fits the theme of Frosts DKs more so than DW of course you would. You would prefer to see Frost return to a 2h playstyle and will gravitate towards the explanation that best suits that narrative.
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I’m not sure if there is a “best” time. I’ve probably spent far too long trying to theorize already but we won’t ever get firm dates from Blizz on that kind of thing.
As far as I’m concerned, regular feedback indicates an ongoing issue. This has been an issue for me since the changes were announced in the Legion beta. I still hate the loss of 2h as frost at least as much as I did back then, if not more. Using a 2h weapon as frost is a cosmetic issue for me, not a gameplay one, so xmog from dw -> 2h would help a lot.
Please keep offering feeedback to get the devs to change their minds and allow us to at least xmog to weapon types we could use before (2h frost, dw blood/unholy, 2h ww monk, etc.).
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I’m fine keeping frost dual wielding and unholy with a two hander. Nice to swap from blood to frost and use the same weapon. I think the decision to allow for only one type of weapon (only daggers, only swords, only 2 hander, etc) is fine. it makes sense based on the spec and I really enjoy it. This is just my opinion and others may disagree, but I really don’t care about each spec and its’ weapon requirements. The hype of “two hand frost” and “dual wield unholy” really doesn’t matter in the long run. It’s purely an argument for aesthetics, literally no more point than that. Blizz doesn’t need to take the time to change something that in all reality, doesn’t matter enough to change in the first place.