28 Nov 2023, Wow takes its first steps to P2W

As I sit running siege of Org to try for the mount I find myself getting more and more irritated by the hard nerf to vendor prices for drops, in the process I am considering the reasons for this and I’m 100% the public reason is bogus. Take what is happening and as happened.

  1. Trade Services in chat channel are now allowed and the usual currency to buy dungeon runs is likely to be Gold.
  2. Hard nerf to legacy raids and instance vendor prices reducing amount of gold being banked.
  3. DF launches with new crafted items either by direct sale or consignment , main currency is likely to be gold.

I expect that we will see a similar nerf incoming to money drops off killed mobs with 6 months of DF launching.

In the meantime if Blizzard are starting to place controls on how much gold can be ‘farmed’ the answer to question will be WoW tokens, i.e. buy a token for $$ sell for gold, this will serve to drive gold prices in the already overpriced AH up but means that you pay for that elite weapon using gold obtained via WoW tokens then you are paying to win.

Yes WoW tokens have been around a while , but I personally suspect Blizzard have been planning for DF to drive up sales of tokens all the long and these steps are but a few small ones to drive up revenue to make up for the loss in subscriptions that Blizzards own make.

Sadly, I don’t think this will be the end of things, should Blizzard see an uptick on token sales, then the next move logically would be special weapons and Armor for real money (whether this would bind on purchase or use i wouldn’t even care to guess) , but if the objective is to push token sales, then I’d say bind on use so items can be listed on the AH.

Tbh Blizzard have lost any goodwill from me and I really don’t believe the reason they gave for the vendor pricing adjustment since they did not need to be adjusted unless there is an ulterior motive at work.

I’d really like to be wrong, but at this point I don’t believe the decision makers in Blizzard have any Credibility or Desire to have happy players, as long as they keep paying, they’ll just go on.

Me, my subscription expires early Feb and it won’t be renewing, i may have been interested in Diablo IV but given what a total cash grab Diablo Immoral is and the way it exploits the game systems to force people to spend money they haven’t got or have acquired through less legal means ill be giving it a miss thank you. Immoral does not have and checks or balances to prevent overspend if you have the money available then you can spend spend spend and sadly because people do drop so much money on that game i can foresee similar mechanisms coming to WoW and D4 in the near future.

Yes companies need to make money to cover costs, but after the how much is a reasonable profit, without being accused of gouging customers , I’ll admit I don’t know, but i suspect Diablo Immoral is past the point of being fair pricing.

Whatever is the case I won’t be around to see it happen, at this point in time anything from Activision/Blizzard is on my no buy list.

And here ends my final post, I’m not paying to play a game where it feels like the Developer is working against me and definitely not paying to play a game that irritates the hell out of me when i run instances knowing the vendor price nerf was not required whatsoever.

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So, open up your dungeon journal and look across the raids also paying close attention to difficulty. It’s often just the max difficulty that has nerfed prices whereas lower difficulty is often where the best gold is now. I think this may be evidence that the vendor price nerf was actually a mistake/bug.

tl;dr - Wanna farm old raids for gold? Don’t do max difficulty

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If you actually took the time to read it you’ll see I’m against RMT, but in your rush to thumb your nose at me you have in fact made yourself look the fool, I don’t really care what your opinion is to be honest, I do know you’re not interested in discussion only trolling and good luck to you in your future ventures

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First steps to P2W? WoW has been P2W for awhile now…

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ironically it seems to be you thats not interested in discussion and is only looking to have your opinion reinforced with just the title alone. you were NEVER interested in ANY sort of a debate or discussion you just want to be told your right and have your opinion reinforced. without the devs confirming one way or the other we can’t be certain its a bug or not though i wouldn’t be surprised if it WASN’T a bug but intentional. probably to combat bots.

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Siege of Org has to be done on Max difficulty for the mount to drop from Garrosh. Other than that, my concern is that we are now seeing the first steps to predatory monetization in WoW and D4.

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Yeah, in that case the reward is the mount. That’s one of the ones you can’t do for both, you have to choose either gold or mount chance :frowning:

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You didn’t buy the Murloc mount?

That’s why you aren’t enjoying the game.

Everyone needs a murloc mount.

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Edaman you glorious wizard.

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Going by the title of your thread

28 Nov 2023, Wow takes its first steps to P2W

You think WoW is going to become P2W next fall? Some people would argue that a Token to get gold already allows shortcuts.

As for selling power directly? No. Blizz is not going to do that in WoW. Shop will stay cosmetics, mounts, pets, and services.

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Is there a reason you’re in favor of RMT??

Not openly yes you can now buy raids , but could you ever buy weapons and gear that will be among the best , according to the description of consignments. But I guess its up to each person to decide when a game becomes P2W, for me its when you use really money to fund the purchase of a weapon or Armor, using the same gold to buy instance runs is borderline , but to each his own only time will tell.

Are you just being obtuse for no reason? Genuinely curious.

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stop arguing with the time traveler Mirasol!
they know things you dont! XP

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Duh, i had 2023 in my head for sub expiry, still it could be prophetic lol. As regards what path Blizzard takes going onwards, then all i have is my opinion that the money being earned in Immortal will have them looking at options if they have not already.

All in all its only an opinion based on my read, its enough for me to call it a day, i really hope i am wrong then i can come back when they add player flying mounts in DF rather than forcing people to soar which personally i don’t like.

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Yes it sucks they nerfed a popular way to farm gold but there are other ways to make gold in wow legitimately. Fyi, if you play in chromie time, do quests and dungeons. Dungeon drops outside of chromie time vendor for a pitiful amount. But in chromie, you can make hundreds of gold in a single run. I havent fully explored this for gold makint but i intend to make a lvl 59 alt and turn off XP, for gold farming. The scaling increases vendor value of anything you loot inside timewalking campaigns.

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Lol actually i responded politely, no argument I know of :slight_smile:

Why not give Wrath Classic a run or Classic era that also can be fun. Sucks to see you go but I wish you the best and hope you find a good game to play.

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Actually it could be argued that the WoW Token was already that first step

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