So lately I am finding it just simply not worth doing 25mans pugs even when you down HMs.
The amount of loot gained is very low, 1 HM per boss is almost at MC levels of loot distribution. This is due to the fact that normal loot from bosses in 25m are almost completely useless due to the loot from 10m Ulduar H (1 drop per 10 is completely fair by comparison).
After getting Tier pieces 25m servers little to no point unless you have Algalon on farm, which for the majority of guilds is unattainable till ToC.
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Alright
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in before âJust gdkp and earn 4$/hr worth of gold, broâ
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His issue seems to be with the amount of 252 items that drop and not the loot setting.
What does gdkp have to do with this? Gdkps dont increase the amount of 252 gear that drops.
HM items should be rare. You dont want people outgearing the content too quickly. Also there is plenty of time left to farm bis
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To me you come across that youâre the kind of player that only wants BiS and anything other than BiS is bad. There are plenty of items that are good that arenât 252 gear, the fact that only 1 piece of 252 gear drops per hard mode doesnât mean anything at least the piece of 252 is guaranteed rather than only having a chance to drop.
This is just the result of having the option of a hard mode attached to the raid which might be the reason why they moved away from it in later raids.
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I feel the same way. After getting tier and a few items, all I need is Algalon loot/Vez as does the majority of my guild. Not fun doing full runs for one or two bosses. Idk how people can raid on multiple toons a week, one day is enough for me. Everyone has fun doing certain things, leveling and wpvp is whatâs fun to me not the same choreographed fights everyweek. I think Iâm just burnt out from raiding naxx in vanilla and for way too long in wrath and most guilds start at 9PM my time which sucks for me
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thatâs why you do 25man raids for the fun of it with your friends
That sounds weird, and im not using the words âblatant lieâ here on purpose.
The majority of your guild does not need Caster dagger/ring from mimiron ?
Agi chest from thorim, JFC, the nhc caster trinket from thorim ?
The shoulders/cloak from IC ?
The caster boots/trinket from Yogg ???
The bracers from XT, the boots from Levi, Konstellas from HodirâŚ
I mean i can believe that your raid does not need tank items anymore, since that is something that can happen quickly.
But those heavily shared/contested items from several bosses outside of Vesax/alga ?
No sir, that is completely unbelievable, and tbh outright impossible even with the best of lootluck due to the amound of ID´s and the amount of drops.
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As I said the majority only needs mostly Alg. My guild had Ulduar on farm for a while now. Obviously people still need somethings off other bosses and shards. Itâs the same thing with Naxx after a while most people just needed Saph/KT, and some needed other items but felt bad running them just for one item. Donât forget alot of classes get bis from 10m too.
People outgear the content by getting normal mode gear and 10m hm parts. At this point even if a guild does exclusively normal 25 they should already be decked enough to make most hard modes much easier.
Watching vezax drop the same cloth gloves every week instead of flare is great.
All the casters in my guild totally love not seeing the one item they need still from Ulduar
And as i pointed out, that is practicly impossible.
If im not mistaken we are currently in ID 13.
The majority would be atleast 13/25 players.
So you would need a completely fix raidpool of 25 players, and a perfect dropluck, and week 1 fullclear on all hardmodes except algalon to even consider the majority only needing alga loot.
I mean i do not doubt that alga loot is what your guild needs the most, since that is the case in most raids.
Im generally not disagreeing tho that loot distribution in Ulduar is Bonkers.
While i got my gear pretty quick outside of Legs from alga which have not dropped so far and⌠Flame Levi NHC bracers, which also have not droppe so farâŚ
Im a Tank, and the Tank loot distribution is pinaccle of weird loot distribution.
And since most raids feature 2 tanks at most, having additional tankgear drops can be really frustrating for the rest of the raid.
But hey, atleast i got the leather chest from vesax and the leather shoulders from Levi for my Levi Ilvl gearâŚ
It was alot of loot when it actually mattered, during progression. Every piece made a big difference, even stuff from 10m. When itâs all on farm, it doesnât mean much. I mean you already killed it with whatever you had before. Even bad pugs are decent now with everyone wearing at least the buffed 225 and 232 gear, like 4800+ across the board. I was thinking the opposite; the loot was a little too good. And worst of all, it screwed with arena too much, the ilvl gaps and the pve requirement driving players away.
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Tell me you donât raid Ulduar by telling me you donât raid Ulduar.
This statement clearly informs me that you are clueless of great gear for other specs/roles besides your own.
For example, the very first HM, FL, you need the best luck to get all your casters the boots and neck. Plus the GSDs for your combat rogue and enhance. This is just one example, as pretty much every HM has BIS gear for many roles and Ulduar has been out for only 12 weeks. Meaning only 12 chances of the bis loot without any bad/duplicates.
Like I said we still need other loot but mostly the big items off alg/Vez. We also do splits to decrease competition . Idk whatâs so hard to understand Iâve seen some people with full bis/near bis in GDKPs already. Also Iâll say it again many classes get a lot of bis from 10m as well.
You just cant fix stupid
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Thorium dropping the 252 tanking ring 4x in a row as of last night says âhi.â
Itâs somewhat frustrating that Ulduar is being extended as a phase partially because of how painful the hard mode loot situation is.
The Ulduar loot design was definitely not one of its strong suits.
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Only 4 tank rings ? We are currently at 7 Tankrings as of our last raid on Monday.
Coupled with 4x Freya gloves, 3x Freya neck, 3x Alga shield(3 times in a row with only 1 shield wearing maintank)
Atleast we also got 7 or 8 caster daggers from mimi/alga, and 4 flares so far.
But no 2hander from vesax, zero caster boots from yoggâŚ
I dunno, maybe having 2 HM items dropping would´ve been better.
Its not like that would´ve made a huge impact on most raids progress, but it would smoothen the process of getting gear just for the sake of getting gear, and would reduce frustration for those who wait for a dozen weeks to never see an item drop, an item of which they know that its also needed by up to 10+ people potentially (like caster boots from yogg)
Just swipe the credit card for gear like the rest of WotLKCâs remaining playerbase.