Bonus Rolls – What Happened and Next Steps

Hello!

We want to follow up on our previous post about issues we encountered with the new Voidforge bonus roll system. The Voidforge system is a brand new system using new tech that enables players to earn their desired myth track gear utilizing a bonus roll currency called Nebulous Voidcores to improve the player experience of gearing during Season 1 of Midnight.

What Happened?

We tested the system on our internal environment to make sure it was working as intended and fix issues, but there was a subtle bug we missed that we can now see was a result of a limitation in our internal test environment.

This new bonus roll system is intended to work like this: every time you use your Nebulous Voidcore on an additional piece of endgame loot, whether in Mythic+ Dungeons, Raids, Bountiful Delves, or Prey, it saves a record of the piece of loot and checks it off a list tied to your character, so that you shouldn’t receive the same piece of loot again. After we launched 12.0.5 (and before we fixed the bug), when players queued with other players into M+ dungeons, Bountiful Delves or Raids, it was possible for the roll data to sometimes save to the wrong database, leading to duplicate rolls.

How Could That Happen?

There are some limited differences between our internal realms and the realms you play on, and one of those differences is the number of databases we use to support the live realms. Some of the databases tied to live realms hold all of your character data, and this includes the list where the bonus rolls are saved.

The functionality we had in place was working as intended for internal environments, but was ultimately the wrong set up for live environments with their multitude of databases.

When it became apparent that some players were occasionally receiving the same item twice, we made it a top priority to fix the issue, and we got the system working as intended on live realms at around 8:05 p.m. PDT on Wednesday, April 22 (05:05 CEST April 23).

What’s Next?

We really want to make this right as best we can, so we’re going to refund every Nebulous Voidcore that was spent before we fixed the issue. We’re identifying every player-character who spent a Nebulous Voidcore before the fix and in the next day or so, we will grant them back to you in-game.

We want to get players who were affected by the bug back on track, and we want to help players who spent their tokens before the fix to mitigate the possibility of further duplicate rolls of the loot they received.

How Can There Be Further Duplicate Rolls?

For example, let’s look at Jay the Mistweaver Monk who spent 2 Nebulous Voidcores in Pit of Saron and received Flayer’s Black Belt and Shaggy Wyrmleather Leggings through the bonus roll system before the bug was fixed. Jay’s bonus rolls may or may not have been properly checked off the list in the database prior to the fix, so the next time he goes into Pit of Saron and tries to use his bonus rolls, he may receive new items or he may receive the Belt or the Leggings again.

Since the system is now working as intended, these new rolls made will be saved to the checklist properly, so duplicates of items rolled on after the fix are not possible.

What If I Didn’t Spend My Nebulous Voidcores On Bonus Rolls?

If you did not spend any of your Voidcores before the fix, any bonus roll you now make will properly be accounted for and checked off the list, and you will not be at risk for any duplicate rolls.

Thank You For Your Patience And Understanding

We apologize for all of this. While it provided us with a better understanding of a potential design pitfall that we will ensure we avoid in the future, we regret disrupting the game for you. Thank you for your passionate feedback the last couple of days. We really appreciate it.

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Ok so that solves the issue for the M+ player who used their voidcores in that fashion.

Could you go into what is happening to players who used their voidcores on a raid boss?

Also the nature of raids are a bit different than M+ - in an M+, Jay the Mistweaver Monk can go back and rerun another Pit of Saron. But Jay the Mistweaver Monk might not be able to rerun the raid again (especially if it was a Mythic lockout raid).

Thinking over this some more after talking with a guild mate, wouldn’t some players also get like 5 M+ items?

Imagine the case where a player got 3 voidcores (2 from quest, 1 from token-vault exchange) used all 3 of them in different dungeons (so no repeated loot there) - and now gets refunded all 3 voidcores to use again this week for ANOTHER 3 myth track items in 3 other dungeons. Walking away this first week of patch 12.0.5 with 6 myth track items…

Granted that’s an extreme cherry picked case but with the number of players affected…

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Great. …now why wasn’t this the solution when myth crest crafting broke and gave lower ilevel items than intended?

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Somewhere out there by a stroke of luck someone got all three items they needed from one dungeon and will have three more bonus rolls to use on a different one.

Wish I was lucky like that.

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It’s great you’re fixing this so quickly, but when can I expect to get me 2x missing luminous dust? I know I am not the only one waiting for a fix on this, and it’s been what, a month at least?

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I’m shocked that mythic raiders are still stuck with “fresh” loot lists for next week. Unless I missed the part where your databases are being updated with alL the raid items that were granted for those players prior to the fix.

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So, does this mean when I rolled on Chimearus and got the stupid off hand it didn’t remove it from the loot pool and next week I can still get the stupid off hand again if I roll?

The fix is fine for people who rolled in M+ because they can just go run the same dungeon again, but for people who rolled in raid we can’t just go kill the boss again and roll.

Hardly seems fair, on top of raid bonus rolls just costing more.

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One thing is missing from this:

A breakdown on how this will be prevented in the future.

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That’s the benefit of not clearing on Tuesday.

Spent the night wiping to our bonus roll boss.

:dracthyr_cry_animated:

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Yeah thats a real possibility… But I guess, other than checking individual cases, this is the fairest (easy) solution for Blizzard. I was very upset, but I guess even I can accept this outcome. Most of us will get 1 “Free” item But with the chance of getting it again on a future run.

In my case I ran MT 2x and got 2rings. Now Ill keep one and delete the other and get 2 new rolls. 1 of them will give me ring again (cos that’s my luck) but the other roll will guarantee a new item so 2 new items for the week. (What was intended since the beggining).

There will be cases of extremely lucky people who got 3 different items they needed and wont ever go back to that dungeon to use rolls. Or 2 items… But I guess that’s life…

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What about people still getting dupes because its not factoring in the difference between a +10 and a +11?

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So I rolled both before the fix and got two different items. Am I reading this right I will get two more rolls and potentially 4 mythic items in the first week while someone who saved their rolls would only get two this week?

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Now I wish I had wasted mine yesterday just on the chance I got what I wanted instead of waiting for the fix… Just extra myth track gear for some people.

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so since I saved my bonus rolls figuring there might be a bug other people get 2 more mythic loot in their bags because it didn’t remove from a server list. I am not 2 mythic pieces behind for the season. people who waited got hosed

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exactly wtf is this crap

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Yeah, only rolling dupes pre-fix and then getting a third (or fourth) dupe post-fix is like winning the lottery for bad luck though.

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wait, so people who spent them just got those rolls for free?

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Yeah, the “fix” should be having to return the gear your got for your voidcores if you didn’t get what you wanted rather than getting a potential 3 extra myth track pieces if you were lucky and didn’t get dupes…

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They should have just given everyone 3. It just means some people benefited

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So if I didn’t use my bonus rolls because I knew it was bugged and decided to hold off I now get 2 less bonus rolls than someone that used them. Why not just give every character that took bonus rolls 2 extra rolls.

Why am I now screwed because I did not use my bonus rolls on some characters.

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