So don’t comment on things you don’t do.
Why should it be set to 15s? What benefit does that offer if you up the difficulty anyways?
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Raiding is a failed attempt at an enjoyable game mode.
No one really likes it, people only do it for the free gear. I say just remove all gear rewards from raiding entirely so people don’t feel forced to engage with it.
Raiding can have zero rewards except a seasonal hero title and a mount, people who enjoy doing it can continue and those who dislike it can forget it exists.
Raids were amazing in Wrarh, but after sixteen years it’s became tiresome and boring.
This is the reason everyone just buys their AotC, because they can’t stand to actually do the raid.
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man this dude is a ray of freaking sunshine
it should be 30. n fact, it should infinitely scale.
not saying i necessarily like m+ (even tho i got ungodly amounts of keys done)
m+ is like the only gamemode we actually get to use our kits, different builds and play the game - 90% of your class capability doesnt get to shine in raids or be used at all
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So you feel entitled to the best gear in the game without putting in the work. That is quite the hot take.
+16s gave the same low mythic raid level gear it always has, it’s just that now you can reach mid-mythic level as well via 20s. I think it’s a good thing, it forces people out of their comfort zones to try something somewhat difficult.
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Nothing wrong trying out new things but when they constantly add DPS race mechanics for raiding, the player can feel force to do more to be optimized.
I see a lot of that from heroic raiders more than mythic raiders ironically enough. People who only raid heroic need to step back and realize they don’t need to do anything or even really worry about optimizing.
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With heroic raiding allowing you to upgrade to mythic ilvl without a redesign to the great vault i dont think this is the case.
There was never really a low mythic ilvl prior to this patch. It was mythic ilvl with higher than mythic from the last two bosses.
Im just wondering something here last time i don’e M+ was a legion and no i was terrible at it only did it for the chest for mage tower grinding thing is ,is it compared to legion how hard M+ is now vs risk and rewards should i even bother for the chest alone or just stick to the world itself still?
I agree with OP. I used to run keys beyond +25 and I did it for the rating and the fun of it. Having to do 20s for gear though, that just sounds terrible. Glad I quit DF and haven’t tried to play anything in current Xpac. 
Blizzard just knows how to strip out the fun and make it a mindless crap grind.
So your opinion is worthless.
Imagine skipping the best WoW expansion ever released, big oof.
Except you need to either kill mythic bosses or do +16 or higher keys for aspect crests to perform that those upgrades.
You cannot upgrade to max from heroic raiding alone with the new system.
It’s similar to if we had been using concentrated primal focus as part of the upgrade system.
Lol that’s some dedication just to troll this guy.
Oh the picture’s gone 
discord hosting doesn’t last as long as it used to?
Yeah, but those worried about the vault +20 gear should be doing 16s without issue. The vault still sucks, i’ve pulled maybe 2 pieces out of the vault because I keep getting three necks, or three cloak options. The vault is the least reliable way of gearing in the game.
The only reason I wasnt raiding is heroic gear is to low ilvl and mythic raid is supper annoying to me. Im at least going to heroic raid this teir and i would be willing to bet most of my gear will come from it considering it has a much smaller loot table than mythic+s.
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