2 months Havoc Demon Hunter still unplayable

DH has been going downhill for years, because the class receives nothing new that is meaningful since its creation, or if it does, it gets removed

Demon proc where you killed a demon that spawned to heal up and get a dmg bonus was very fun, got removed because of PvE crybabies

Chaotic imprint promoted synergy with caster DPS, because it boosted their damage too - removed for no reason

Almost all Melee specs received new spells which make DH die much easier through Blur. Blur remains a 1 minute CD that is essentially not enough to counter big burst CDs from most classes anymore

Darkness is a defensive that doesn’t really allow you to continue being aggresive since people can just easily move away from it

Netherwalk doesn’t allow you to press anything except Incap and is not usable in stuns either

Passive magic damage reduction got gutted 5 times in a row. And while when it was like 22% it was WAY TOO MUCH, being 5% is way too little. It was the most balanced at 10%.

So all in all the only 2 things DH received in the last 4 years that matter were Eye Beam becoming uninterruptable and Glimpse.

Let’s look at what Mage received in the last 2 years:

  • All specs can DB
  • All specs can knockback you
  • Greater invisibility grants a 60% damage reduction wall
  • All specs can Ice Wall
  • All specs can Ice nova
  • theres probably more that I missed

Why do I say this? Because Havoc doesn’t have another DPS spec to cannibalize spells from. It requires new ones.

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Your damage being RNG was terrible and not fun lol.

Mirroring into another DH who gets 5 fodder procs to your 1, he’s not only out healing your team - he’s crapping on you in damage despite being rotationally the same to severely worse.

I maintain sinful brand was the superior way to play and they removed it before of PvE morons complaining about dot management.

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Time 3 actually

Probably cuz all the anti caster class are top right now. BM,Spriest and feral are better sticking on range DPS mostly.

No, I’m pretty sure this was universally hated by a lot of people because it felt awful to die to not getting a proc or to lose to a DH because they just got good procs.

This was also removed because it was just a flat 10% damage increase and was ALSO complained about by DH mains because it felt “mandatory” because of how much damage it offered and limited other utility talents like big incap, reverse, blood moon, glimpse, and immo aura dispel.

Blur is still excellent and I don’t think any DH is ever dying through it.

Sure, but it’s also an aoe team defensive so there are pros and cons. In general dark is annoying that it’s RNG, but overall has ways played the same.

Sure, but it also shouldn’t be a bubble when you have blur on a short cd on top of glimpse and meta immunity frames AND darkness.

I actually think it’s finally in a fair spot. Dh shouldn’t be inviable as a kill target vs wizards because of what they rolled at class selection.

DH IS weak right now, but it has nothing to do with the kit or survivability. It just needs damage.

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needs some reduction in nerfs to leech to avoid easter egg hunting for heals with fragments and a 20% single target buff

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Need to buff EB modifier and the hunt so DH has more impactful damage.

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If they got rid of EB and just made the hunt hit like a truck again, that would be a way better fix. Hunt is stoppable, has a long enough cooldown, and is an “iconic” DH ability. And it’s not essence break which just sucks to play.

Maybe some buff management that like every blade dance final hit has a chance to increase your hunt damage by x%.

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They need to remove some of the PvP specific nerfs from previous expansions. Un-nerf Essence Break completely, those nerfs are from a time when Essence Break + Death Sweep did half someone’s HP, now with the massive HP pools they do 1/6th. Un-nerf our leech, that’s one of our iconic abilities and our self-heal is trash right now compared to other classes. Buff our base abilities like chaos strike and blade dance so we’re less reliant on our hero talents, which are completely terrible.

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Unless you cast it mid glimpse. Cause with the hunt your character flies at a target and never touches the floor, so cast the hunt right after glimpse and you charge at them with immunity.

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Which should be removed lmao.

But that’s hard for blizzard.

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I guess fair spot means having 1 person above 2.4 per region

Well hot damn you are not biased at all are you

Meanwhile 50+ Ferals, 70+ BMs, 40+ Shadow priests etc…

Okay dude.

Great points, I’m sure fair means playable in your language, but it doesn’t strike as realistic in any way

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I said fair spot in reference to the passive 5% dr being at a good value. Legit everything had your quotes to provide context, why are you trying to take context out of what I said?

Literally, in the same post, I said:

Nope! Not at all! That’s why I’m advocating for buffs to DH because it needs them, but not in a way that makes them broken or oppressive.

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I miss Havoc as much as my ex-wife.

I promise to send you care packages while you’re in prison.

Just keep waiting.

Damage is lower than expected right now because it’s highly likely actually bugged

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnGcxfHHCdI

Other than that, there are so many cases where your ability CDs just don’t line up nicely right now, especially if playing reaver.