Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
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I think main goal was to kill rsv so players would play other classes,rsv was so popular back in wod that made hunter most played class in game. Do you memeber âWe dont want you to play survivalâ i member.
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Why not both?
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I ran mostly a mm/survival hybrid in vanilla, and Pretty much solid ranged survival bc till legion started. Iâm not mad about melee survival. I even think it has a thematic place instead of 2 archer specsâŚ
I do think that Blizzard could have / should have incorporated the ranged SV play style into MM via talents. They didnât and I count that as the biggest failure of the whole change.
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I disagree. SV isnât just merely another âarcher specâ. It was closer to a survivalist, specializing in poisons, traps, explosives, etc⌠It makes more thematic sense than what is essentially a warrior spec with a pet. âArcherâ is too general a term. Like justifying removing assassination because there was already three âthiefâ specs, or removing fire because there was already three âwizardâ specs.
The mistake was that they should have made melee SV a new spec rather than replacing SV.
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Maybe because 2 specs are brain dead and flavorless and the other spec is hated because it was changed from shooting an bomb arrow and having poisons. To being a gah damn bad azz predator esq killing machine that throws bombs like a hillbilly throws beer bottles and mortal combat gets their azz over there⌠I kinda forgot what I was talking about but I love the new survival.
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So you hate the hunter class because youâre salty from being killed by one while you were leveling or something, and you like the new hunter spec because it isnât actually a hunter spec? But people still wonder why the actual Hunter players donât find the attitude surrounding âLawl melee sv is best svâ to be very beneficial?
The Hunter class should be for Hunter players. It shouldnât sacrifice a Hunter spec just so that rogue and warrior mains can have a rogue/warrior spec on their hunter alt.
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No baby girl you arnât listening. My main is a Rogue so dying to a hunter is almost not possible in retail. I cannot stand the simplicity of BM. Itâs just really boring. MM is lame now. My same gripe with DH itâs just really boring to play. Itâs simple and I get that games need easy to learn classes n allat but it is not for me. I like having a lot of options and different ways to go about things. Survival is a fun spec because it doesnât really hold your hand and it can be easy to mess up and die. You throw that frost trap at the wrong angle or slightly to the right? Well now you and your team have to survive another 30 seconds for another window. Or worse yet force a trinket.
Survival doesnât hold your hand and it takes practice to become good at. I like that. I like the feeling of knowing your class and being good at it. Like Rogue is easy to pick up. Yet hard to master.
Spoken like a true world PvP hero.
So, what? Youâre just here to troll and say that hunters are all bad or something? You like melee SV because it is melee⌠and thatâs it. Solid reasoning there bud.
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Heâs a Classic hero. He thinks heâs a better class of player because he plays Classic.
Yes, so braindead and flavourless the overwhelming majority of Hunters have been sticking to MM and BM over SV since SV went melee.
This approach of crapping all over the ranged specs and upselling melee SV will never, ever work no matter how hard you try.
Did you forget the other specs have traps or something?
Survival actually has the easiest time in landing traps due to Harpoon and Rangerâs Net.
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Your reading comprehension needs some work dawgie. I used to love old survival and old BM. Like BC-cata, I also really liked old survival explosive shot and what was it black arrow I think? With the cool purple poison effect. Was never a fan of MM but BM is just too simple now. I donât enjoy having a 3 button rotation. I donât like having a very predictable class.
Not a world pvp hero. Wpvp hasnât been a thing for a very long time. Iâm just saying for a Rogue to lose to a hunter especially for how long Iâve played Rogue would be really sad lmao. I donât like survival because itâs melee. I like survival because itâs fun and exciting and there are multiple routes I can take when it comes to taking down an opponent. You have a lot of movement and a lot of different tricks up your sleeve. I like that. My survival hunter has 53 keybinds. I like having options.
Iâm not sure exactly how much I should value your feedback on the old Hunter specs when you had trouble recalling what Black Arrow was. Alting a class doesnât really make you a strong voice on what is good for the class. If you like a melee spec thatâs fine. The point is that it was placed in a class that it didnât belong in, and at the cost of a spec that did belong there.
How much melee DPS mains like a melee DPS spec on their hunter (a ranged DPS class) alt is a moot point.
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Value it or donât value you it. Thatâs really all on you dawgie. I have more hours played on hunters than id say 90% of people playing retail. I used to love survival a lot. I would play it when people thought it was trash. Explosive shot always felt amazing. I have always loved hybrid classes, and since retail is the most anti hybrid thing on the planet maybe thatâs why I gravitate to survival so much? I just absolutely love survival and it might become my main (uh oh then you might actually have to take my opinions and criticism seriously based on your logic)
I literally was doing a mythic last night and a person in my group whispered me and told me did I know that survival was the hard spec for my class. That is a good feeling when you take something people think is hard and do well with it. Underdawg story n allat. I just love the movement I love the tool kit I love the new survival. I may be in the minority but thatâs not something Iâm unused to.
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Okay letâs say you have 3 fruits right?
Apples
Orange
Mango
For apples you have to do 2 push-ups and youâll be able to enjoy a good fruit.
Orange you have to do 2 push-ups and youâll be able to enjoy a good fruit.
For mangos you need to do 25 push-ups and then youâll be able to enjoy your good fruit.
A lot of people are just going to stick to the apples and oranges because 1 itâs what they are used to, and 2 because you reap the reward without a lot of effort. You probably get better dps, anyway. I just love mango. You donât love mango because your pineapple got taken out of the equation.
Case in point dawg player metrics shouldnât be a big contender in what gets removed or not. Idc what data you pull up from thin air that supports any claim you can make. I think youâre very toxic to the hunter community. You have this self righteous aura about you. Itâs gross your breath stinks. So please go brush your teeth and look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself itâs okay. Itâs okay that people have different opinions than you. Itâs okay for people to like the 1 hunter spec they find interesting. Itâs okay. Youâll be fine bb grl cheers.
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Now this is a business model I can get behind. The customer is always wrong. How could this possibly backfire.
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Probably not a good way to go, ignoring the customer. However, we -the non blizzard employees- do not have any form of valid data. So we cannot say if said change was against the majority or anything.
The forum is the worst source. Its super easy to complain than compliment⌠and this being the official forum, this is where they come to vent off first.
The 3 crusaders of hunter however, are being highly toxic as he say. They keep using moded data and hijack everything. Sure they can have their opinion, but as said they donât need to bring it everywhere turning all these threads into range vs melee with their blind crusade.
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Aaaand literally cutting out a sentence that I stated and making an adorable little remark rather than addressing the whole thing. Are you like the cnn/Fox News of the forums or this is just a hobby?
Uhhh. I pulled out the line that summarizes your entire point. The only part of your post that talks about something else was directed at another user, which I have no interest getting in the middle of.
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My point was that we have no data. Pebbles loves to use random data he finds off the internet and run around these forums like he has the word of god. I think niches and minorities should hold a seat atleast in the discussion. I would hate for them to bring old survival back and itâs just as brain dead and uninspired as BM and MM.
Uuuuum but maybe youâre right friend. Maybe the vast majority loves the class design of BM and DH and simplicity is just going to be the new norm. Perhaps they should revert Surv. I think it would be a shame but Iâm just one person. If I stop my sub vs 10 people who stopped their sub cause of old survival blizzard has an easy choice on their hands.
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Youâre all over the place, man. How can we have no data yet player metrics shouldnât be used? Player metrics are data.
How do we have no data but you get upset when people bring data.
It sounds like the available data doesnât fit your narrative, and therefore you are inventing reasons to make that data not matter.
What id love to see is data supporting both sides of this argument, but it doesnât seem like data supporting your side exists.
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