1900 IO - my thoughts on DH

The class is kinda piss poor… but it’s not completely useless. havoc DH does bring a lot of utilities if used correctly. Arcane torment and consume magic is actually extremely beneficial.

But regardless for a aoe class with aoe cap it feels quite piss poor.

It’s like taking a civic into a formula one race. You need to be perfect in every way to duke out enough.

It is still very possible to run keys up to 19-20. But it’s very challenging. A lot of times the group will say that dps is light when you that high, and they still prefer mages, boonies, uhdk or monk.

Personally if DH is supposed to be more of a aoe class, the aoe cap needs to go. Cause our st is just that bad.

It’s a bit of a meme when you see someone else do lower dps than you. You are the gauge of a meta class is a good player or a bad player. Of course there are certain things to take in consideration like if they are saving their CDs for certain fights where DH just can’t do enough.

It does feel like you’re fighting with one hand ties behind your back.

Conclusion - the class able to pull through, but it needs considerable help.

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I just started doing m+ I got a lot of max level character but just can’t decide on one. Decided on my DH. And I followed your build and I can pull 8k to 10k burst damage with del rush unbound chaos and the hunt. When it crts it feels nice. When it doesn’t it feels like crap. Also on boss damage really drops. Also with the unbound chaos build is almost impossible to use del rush in certain dungeons.

Started running momentum in keys and noticed a increase in damage but outside of UBC procs I feel like the aoe is lacking. Its a fun burst of damage and then you go back to spamming chaos strike to get eye beam via CoH. Idk blade dance feels awful to press now.

you still want to press BD if there are 3 target or more. But yea with CoT build BD feels it hits like a wet noodle. Sometimes I just want to keep using Chaos strike get Eye beam off CD faster.

3+ targets in DS 4-5 for BD. But you generally pull 5+ anyways so yeah but its basically just a resource dump at this point. You could honestly not press it and not notice a diff. Esp with FB/DB + momentum you generate so much resource that you can honestly dump so much of it into CS to reduce eyebeam cd and do more dps

Another 1900+ IO havoc — I’m probably done playing until next patch.

Can’t quite figure out what I don’t like…

Maybe it’s how anti-melee every dungeon is,

or maybe the new anti-melee affixes they added,

or maybe it’s the random Fel Rush bug that sends you flying a million miles,

or maybe it’s the laughable 4 min CD on meta which aligns horribly in so many dungeons,

or our awful single target DPS,

or maybe it’s needing to stand 100% still for a long eye beam cast and if you don’t get the full said cast you miss out on the haste buff,

or maybe it’s needing to time your unbound chaos proc for the next huge pull only to have the tank take a second too long to get the ads grouped and your proc falls off and miss out on a double unbound chaos combo,

or maybe you get it off but because melee pulls extra threat you rip threat off the tank and instantly die while a fire mage can simply just mirror image and pull a ludicrous 50k+ dps in melee range without any threat issues,

or maybe it’s the fact that eye-beam will literally pull the flying Spinemaw Reavers in mists if directly overhead,

or maybe it’s the fact that we need to use our mobility for damage in dungeons that are already so anti-melee and this is especially true if you play momentum, the moment build on the ring in SD will give you nightmares,

or maybe it’s the fact that Vengeful Retreat removes SNARES but not ROOTS!?!,

or maybe it’s the need to constantly align yourself properly so your lightless force procs don’t accidentally pull mobs while you are dashing around,

or the fact that blizzard made drums useless requiring every group to have a lust while coincidentally all the lusts classes are meta classes,

or maybe it’s the fact that we lost our leech, tankiness and blade dance dodge from BFA and now need to pick between either a mediocre amount of leech or a mediocre immunity,

or maybes it’s our super boring rotation with lack of any interesting talents,

or maybe it’s the spiteful affix ads having the melee range of a vanilla Tauren warrior,

or maybe it’s the fact that if you somehow deal with everything I listed above you will never pull more DPS than the the meta specs, because at the end of the day, most of our DPS is capped.

or maybe it’s the fact that we rarely get invited because we (1) are a melee, (2) are one of the weaker melees, (3) share the same class with S-Tier Veng DH, and (4) share one of the best covenants (night fae) with the other meta specs.

or maybe it’s the fact that you are forced to push your own key, but now if you deplete you will need to play with lower IO players to get the key back up, but since we aren’t exactly a “cary” spec in lower keys because we don’t have crazy CDs like fire-mage, boomkin and hunter, so it’s harder to cary your key back to it’s original level.

or maybe it’s the fact that it’s 2021 and there is still not a better UI for finding and making groups,

or maybe it’s the fact that most the dungeons are just so dull, (I recognize this is subjective)

or maybe it’s the fact that when I just want to have fun and cap my vault my significantly lower io alt mage gets into 14-15s faster than my havoc presumably because of some combination of blizzard forcing every group to have a lust class and the communities over-obsession with meta classes trickles down even in lower keys.

But hey, we give 5% extra magic damage if there isn’t already a Veng DH, a purge with a 10 sec CD, and a weaker version of leg sweep with a resource cost unless we talent into it!

Oh but at least we are good in PVP right?, oh wait nope, we are the least represented class in 2s AND 3s (source: arenamate dot net), have terrible defensives, clunky play-style and a gimmicky one-shot. But I also don’t PVP much so I’ll let others who are more qualified speak to that.

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Yeah i dunno i just switched my dh over from venthyr to night fae and using unbound chaos now.

The hunt is juicy 12k damage at my i level but the cooldown woof. Im not sure about unbound because sometimes it hits good and at other im like, did I do any damage i didn’t see any pop up on the screen? I dont get it.

I’ll stay with this dh, switch over to my shelved ret which i hate in pve or level my arms which is worst melee in the game :man_shrugging:

You summed up pretty much every shortcoming of DH. I hope a dev reads this!

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Havoc is garbage right now.

UBC is miserable to play. You can do reasonable damage with momentum but it just isn’t enjoyable. Our utility is decent but there are other classes that offer more or better aoe (rogue, windwalker).

All in all I’m done with this game. I’ve spent the last year trying to give feedback, playing the game, making the most out of a bad situation but I play this game for fun.

Right now, DH just straight up isn’t fun. BFA dh was fun, Shadowlands DH is not fun.

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I started playing DH in BFA and well after realizing the whole borrowed power concept DH wasn’t fun then. Relying on RNG isn’t fun. At least currently with UBC you kinda have control over your damage.

However since DH isn’t represented in MDI and other high keys it gets harder to get into groups as most don’t want a DH. You can do insane DPS all day and still overlooked.

I’m completely with you on all your points. This pandemic has create some free time for me to brainlessly play. But lately I started logging on less and started playing Dota again lol. DH just isn’t fun. And looking at the 9.1 notes, even though it’s early. There is nothing for havoc

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Lol is so bad this week as soon as the adds is about to die I either get and hope they aren’t on me or get ready to use my AoE stun and get out. Ret pally friend me put on their bubble and continue to DPsand mages just frozen them in place.

I really only have time to play one character of each role: dps, tank, heals

With some regret, I recently rolled a mage, to take over the dps spot. It’s ridiculous in comparison to DH. Just the penalty melee has this expac is enough to justify my switch.

Then you look at everything else mage brings…

Yeah. I really wanna play my DH, but it feels so weak and, worse, boring. Fire mage has abilities that synergize with each other all over the place. DH has chaos strike and eye beam

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I ran a few 10+ and man it was hard to stay decent dps. Is just some boss fight you can use UBC last boss in plaguefall, platforms in ToS(I guess you can make it work) shade in DoS, and a few more places. Feel my pally can do better not sure what say.

So my DH I finally got got 5 m15+ and a few +10 to 13. And yes is hard. The main thing I have is that our AoE is decent out the CoT build. I took CA as my Lego for most consistent damage for both AoE and ST. I try burning wound Lego and it works great in raids but in m+ I feel i get more damage overall won’t CA. Dark glare might work if you get good proc but at 40% sometimes it feels or never proc. I also see most top HDH uses CA as their Lego. As far as UBC goes I went with GT for pugs. With UBC is harder to predict how the group will act. Having my fellow rush to get out of sticky situation is better. At least for this week affix.

Got burnt out and dis some lower keys tonight and feel so much more relaxed. I might just give up and play a hunter.

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Additionally, they put in too many buttons! I made this character to erp and have fewer buttons but it isn’t working. I only need four buttons, meta, a hit, a heal, and group stun everybody die buttons.