cuz when you don’t time it you will get +15 and don’t have chance of getting this stupid upgrade item. Which is so frustrating that you just don’t want to run any keys after the vault is filled up.
Shadowlands was better by far. I always wanted to run keys and now you fell like its worthless
Just time the key duh
sure if i will get shadowmoon, temple, halls. Oh wait am I playing dragonflight or legion/mop/wod?
Not going to waste another 30-40 minutes in ruby just to get +14 with noobs standing in fire.
Do you get any notifications for the amount of times I’ve flagged everything you said for trolling?
Nope but appreciate the flag. 
Just want to let the devs know why dragonflight will tank harder then sl. Most of the casuals will quit quite. But I’m a fan of feedback.
Also flagging posts that are not trolling at all is kind of abusing the system isn’t it?
So when there was no reward for doing higher than 15, you felt 16 had value and you always wanted to do them, and now that there are things to gain from 16+ you feel like it’s worthless.
Is this logic the product of the European education system I’ve been hearing so much from you lately?
Here are some solutions available to you.
Three of these solutions will provide you with gear upgrades. I’m pretty sure one of them won’t, but if that tantrum makes you feel better, go for it.
I honestly don’t know a single person I play with that prefers sl over df. But I guess if you don’t know how to play the game you rather have easy content than challenging. 16s are pretty easy now. I’ve already done a bunch of sales last few weeks. If you struggling most likely you are doing something wrong.
Actually yes. I was running +15 for my guild to get them Ksm. Was fun. Now we just realized that it’s not worth it because no one of us can get the new dungeons intime. Gear is capped at 395 for us. So many decided to throw the towel
But it ia what it is. Maybe 11 will be a casual centered expansion.
So instead of just getting practice, getting gear, and getting better, you decide to quit because you’re not maxing everything in the first 3 weeks of a months long season. It’s so hard for me to imagine being this soft…
Yes I got better things to do to wipe in +15 just to try getting a shadowmoon +16.
Never thought I would missing anima xD.
Also vault is heavily based on rng. I never got all bis items from it. So this season I will get 1 item if this slow progression goes on until I get my first +20
I’m summary… Dragonflight m+ will be the nail in the coffin for casual scene
There’s a lot of issues created by this new gearing system.
Back in SL if you didn’t want to push keys that week you could do 1-4 +15 keys and call it a week. Now you have to push +20s or higher.
If you can farm +16s and higher there’s no reason to do +15s or lower.
This ends up segmenting the community because I’ve noticed that if I post a +20 key there’s like 20-40 2600+ IO players that want to get in, but if I do a +19 there’s hardly anyone applying at that IO score.
So what happens is the +20 and higher key runners are in their own bubble and won’t drop down to do lower keys unless they’re farming for gear.
Finally someone who got the problem of this season for the common playerbase
If doing 19s you should be reaching out to friends list. I rarely will do a full pug for that level since most players suck.
I play casually and I’m doing just fine. I’m glad they actually put top ilvl items out of reach for a lot of players. It gives them something to actually work.
Sure if you like to work in your freetime do it. I’m just happy that some banger titles are on the horizon. Games should be fun. eSports is nothing that fits to an rpg
If this is what constitutes an esport to you, you have no idea. Mythic plus is nothing like esports I work full time and have a family. Still manage to do 20s. If all you care about is gear this is not the game for you. I’m tired of people complaining and want free carries. Play at your level or quit.
And yet you’re here, complaining about people complaining…
Done a bunch of 16s huh?
If you look at his profile, it says it’s an alt. There’s a link to his main, with a 2574 io.
Rename grp name to “-completion” . complete the dungeon and you get concentrated primal. Or join someone elses 16 and change your after completion. If you are in full 395 gear and unable to time 16 key. I am pretty certain it is a player issue so go check out guides etc