found a post online that judging by current costs you would need 150k honor to fully upgrade all your honor gear to 190ilvl. WTF. isnt the whole point of honor gear is to be a FAST way to gear up for arena and not some endless grind. so stupid.
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Assuming weâre still able to earn conquest from daily wins, call to arms quests, and whatever else, the actual number will be considerably less than that. Conquest gear begins at 190 so for every conquest piece you earn, my guess is roughly one per week, thatâs another fully upgraded honor piece that you need not consider.
If conquest becomes a strictly rated-only currency then yeah, Iâd say we have a real problem on our hands but I doubt thatâs how itâll play out.
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Not to mention the weekly chest that youâll get gear from.
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I donât see that happening, I do see rated increasing your cap amount though. Like previous xpacs
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No longer, the whole point of PVP gearing is to benefit the people who do not PVP. I.e. the PVE only crowd, just in case they might want to do a BG every now and again.
Fast PVP gearing cannot not ever be allowed when you can use PVP gear in PVE as is.
WoD already figured this out, and yet here we are. âGear is gearâ wonât work. PVP gear needs to be separated from PVE for this to work again:
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Remember when we had an entire honor set that actually helped and was earned fast via PVP only? Remember when that same honor set was only 15 ilvl below the BiS conquest gear? Remember when mythic raid gear was actually nerfed in PVP so conquest could stay BiS for PVP? Remember when PVP gear was worse in PVE, so it could be allowed to be gained fast in PVP? Remember when everyone could eventually get BiS conquest gear, but rating earned it faster? Remember having fun doing PVP on alts? Remember when we didnât need hidden scaling, because you could just put it on the gear tooltip?
WoD gearing was so good, just bring it back alreadyâŚ
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I doubt many people will have a full honor set since you will be getting equivalent or better gear through other source before you could ever hope to complete it.
Also, it would be really bad feels if you focused on one item to get it to 190 and then get a 200 drop in the same slot.
Honor gear is only going to serve as a stepping stone to get better gear via increasing your item level so it might be best to spread the honor around to multiple pieces to fill in spots where you need it rather than trying to upgrade things to full.
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Itâs not. You will get conquest from winning BGs, etc. There are also world pvp objective areas (similar to legion) that will give conquest and honor.
Note: they donât seem to be working, but they are there and the quests to do them are there.
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why even bother with honor gear then when heroics drop 170, lfr and mythic 0 drops 183 and world bosses drop 207. grinding out honor is a complete waste of time because the pvers will be miles ahead because honor gear starts at 158 and we dont know how much honor is rewarded from bgs. overall i get the feeling that the honor system is complete garbage and just another endless grind to waste peoples time. shadowlands isnt released yet so theres still time for change.
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PVE to PVP. This is the way.
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Honor comes as you pvp. If you donât enjoy pvp, then donât queue for it. But if you enjoy it, then you gear up while having fun.
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Like the lack of critical thought here on how this system will actually work is staggering.
I recall in wod alone I could easily farm up 25-30k honor in the span of a decent weekend doing nothing but wpvp bgs skirms and some arena.
Because I was spending honor on lvl 60 daggers to sell for decent amount of gold per honor point. Still have the macro to sell without confirmation
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Because both of those numbers are lower than 190, to state the obvious, and because honor will be earned inadvertently while youâre farming for the primary PvP currency (conquest) anyway. EDIT: Not to mention that with honor gear, you know which piece youâll get and when rather than crossing your fingers for a drop in PvE. Also not to mention that all honor gear will have versatility whereas only a portion of PvE gear will. Thatâs why.
Fantastic. Five minutes of âworkâ each week will mean one less slot that youâll feel the need to grind honor for.
Great to hear, thanks for the confirmation.
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another garbage pvp expansion then
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Question: Is SL going to be better than WoD for PVP gearing?
Are we going to be able to earn honor gear fast (like a weekend)?
Is honor gear going to be only 15 ilvl behind BiS conquest?
Will conquest gear be BiS in PVP?
When people start asking for the best way to gear their main for PVP, will the answer be âPVPâ?
When people start asking for the best way to gear up a new alt for PVP, will the answer be âPVPâ?
Will everyone be able to earn the BiS conquest gear eventually? (rating used to just get gear faster, it was not gated entirely)
If the answer to any of those is NO, then why are they trying to re-invent how PVP gear works, when it was so good before?
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I donât know if they will⌠Theyâre giving us back vendors right. Good chance they give us the system back without giving us any of the good stuff from it.
Eh I still think itâs problematic, Iâve already said why though. Too tired to care to repost it.
We get it, Graendoll. You like the WoD gearing system. Youâve made that very clear in a variety of different threads. Seeing as I was absent for the majority of that expansion to focus on my studies, thereâs only so much I can comment on it.
All I can say is that I donât relish the thought of PvP gear being scaled down X item levels in PvE. That is effectively identical to having resilience or PvP power, dead stats in PvE, reducing your effectiveness in a these environments. I also donât love the concept of honor, a currency that requires only participation rather than individual/group success, being overly rewarding. I donât think that just showing up should get you the majority of the way there. I think that winning / rating should.
Your mileage on that may vary and as is the case for everyone, youâre welcome to your opinion.
So, you think SL is going to be better than WoD for gearing?
You like PVE and PVP gear being equal, despite that it makes PVP not be able to free from the PVE gear acquisition rate. (i.e. getting honor gear super fast so everyone can be at least at a competitive baseline).
You also like that rating makes it so casual BGâs (where everyone gets thrown in together) heavily favour anyone who does arena, or PVE.
I am just curious why you would feel this way about gear. Just trying to understand it.
What if rating got you gear sooner? Why would it matter if BG heroes get the same gear in the last 2 weeks of a season? If they just play BGs all the time, do you think you need to also have a gear advantage over them from PVE or from rating in arena? Are you not good enough to overcome that in the last couple weeks when the casuals finally have conquest gear?
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I really donât get why the ârated onlyâ crowd are afraid of this.
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I think that it most definitely has the potential to be better, yes, but seeing as though SL hasnât released and I havenât played it, I canât say that with certainty at this time. It just sounds better to me. I like the idea of bringing versatility into PvE much more than I like the idea of bringing resilience, PvP power, or a piece that simply loses 15 item levels.
While I understand that it will still be considered ideal to have separate sets for PvP and PvE, bringing one set to the other environment wonât be nearly as damning as it has been in the past.
Thatâs what I advocate for. I donât believe we know for sure yet if this will or will not be the case in SL but feel free to jump in if thatâs been confirmed, guys.
Iâd like to be able to upgrade my conquest gear using conquest, with the understanding that the rated crowd would be able to get it faster and upgrade their gear faster as a result.
Iâm not sure what that has to do with opposing a high power level potential tied to honor alone. Itâs a participation trophy and while I like that it exists, it needs to be managed carefully.