KiR > around 150k loss overall dungeon slice
HO > 80k loss overall dungeon slice
Screw this. 
Cancelled until things start looking up.
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Can we get some data?
Not saying I disagree, but I have noticed energy/point regen is absolutely abysmal.
KiR build was simming at about 590-620k before pre patch on a dungeon slice setting.
Now I highest I can get that build swapping one or two talent points around and trying more hasteg ear is about 460k.
HO, I can only get to about 517k but I didnāt play that much so never simmed it much previously. It was always lower than KiR for dungeon runs but certainly not 517k.
Test dummies feel attrocious. My raid build was doing more than my AOE build. Used to average out at 700k with burst going up to about 1.5 mill.
Can barely burst 900k and averages out around 450k now.
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The problem is the changes for Rogues are not finished. It feels underwhelming right now and hopefully it improves before launch
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Not sure what the fix will even be at this rate. A lot of staple talents that make the builds play well are inaccesible now and the hero talents are poor substitutes that fix nothing. Iāll be surprised if weāre looking good before mid expansion.
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If you want to play the best rogue spec, play survival hunter. Itās everything you want minus combo points
Saw one one pop 700k dps on a raid boss in LFR yesterday while everyone else around the same ilvl was doing around 400kā¦ Doesnāt seem like a bad shout.
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I cancelled as well. Itās okay to miss an expansion, Iāve done so before. WoW takes time, effort, time and money. Rogues are supposed to be deadly, very deadly, but when I spend all the time I have, grinded out all the gear, hours and hours of Mythic, just to login after pre-patch, do a few mythic runs, and Iām barely above, or below the tank? Thatās when I call it quits. Itās heartbreaking. I really want to play the new expansion, and I love my Rogue class so much, I just have no desire to play anything else. Iāve been a Rogue for 20 years, and at one time, for 3 - 4 months, I was the worldās Top Rogue during MOP, under Meatskab, or a variant of āMeat.ā in the guild Eighty Six. Iām sure the record is out there somewhere, and, on a different account. I know the class super well. Itās NEVER been this bad. This is not a rant, a threat, just, honestly, confusion. Someone make it make sense. I tried to get into a few guilds and the GM of one guild, and the Rogue class lead of another guild literally told me, they are not raiding Rogues, at least not at launch. Even the Rogue class lead is not raiding his main, but instead a Shaman. The GM told me they will allow Rogue alts in but only after progression. Thatās how bad the DPS is. Itās literally costing raid spots in some guilds. I am so darn confused right now. How is this even possible?
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is pre patch some spec are going to be really bad while others are way off the charts. Thus why there is a pre patch and changes will happen before TWW for tuning anyways. But the spec/class and hero talents I donāt think there is going to be any changes for S1.
Arance mage, fire mange and sv HUNTER SARE GOING OF the charts while roges and moonking are having a bad time currently.
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Iām not going to raid mine either unless something really wild happens. Which i hate because I love my rogue and have for nearly 20 years, several people have said the same as I am in this thread.
It may be time to give the class to someone who has vision or to give Realz the benefit of the doubt it may be time for corporate to stop crapping on rogue for whatever reason.
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number can be done via tuning but the class tree change and the hero talents to outlaw rouge just donāt make senseā¦ the hero talents feels too passive to impact game play. Like you donāt even know it procs since is just increase your damage there is nothing to see unless you have a dps meter and it shows you that your damage just ramp up. The lost to extra melee range also hurts as well but that happen to every melee class.
Right but all three are sort of a mess of several different designs atm. So it isnāt just numbers tuning.
Sub in particular is designed like trash. Youād have to throw big numbers at it to make it attractive to play because it is anything but fun atm. Which I hate because I tend to favor sub. Iād take a revert to season 2 dragon flight with a rework on the hero talents to save the devs time.
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I actually rolled an Evolker at the start of the current expansion, and that turned out to be a huge mistake, DPS wise. Itās why I quit back in early 2023. I understand all classes cannot be at the top of the DPS charts, but starting out, and today, apparently, those two classes were just bad. I guess I just had bad luck then, and Iām having bad luck now. In my mind, Rogues are very deadly and their āMELEEā DPS should represent this. Iāve already resolved myself to the fact, I may miss this new expansion. There is always the next one. Also, I do not want to micromanage myself in terms of having to check mmo-champion every week for buffs to the class. I just donāt have the time or will power to do this. If I miss T1 of The War Within, I am done for the entire next two years. Hopefully we see buffs to our absolutely horrible DPS before launch. Iāve literally never seen it this bad. And, worse of all, knowing Blizzard, it will be too little, too late if and when buffs are giving to the class. Someone make this make sense to me.
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