The fact that someone of y’all are defending a +15 without a healer being timed is hilarious . Who cares if it was the top 1% oh did it. It still should not be happening .
Them doing that right there now even further pushes the meta down peoples throats . Basically they just told the world if your not playing one of the specs/classes they used for this run , then ur not worth inviting anymore .
Its a horrible tuning issue . What’s next ? Mythic raid with no healers ?
I don’t know how Aug handles being sent down on the last boss. Every high NW I’ve had one in this season has bricked because they’re unable to kill the add.
It didn’t help that the new affixes were comically untested and bugged there, too.
Thats cool how many keys have you timed with out a healer?
This happened a few times in DF too, but guess what? We healers are still just as needed now as we were then for all but fluke runs like these. Let me know when people are doing this en masse, then we can talk about healers not actually being needed.
I think most are fine with some tweaking.
but this “what’s next” part is what makes people roll their eyes.
Ah, zmok. I saw that vid, thought it was amusing.
Seriously, get your britches out ya butt and relax.
I think there are always exceptions to the “rule.” The rule is tank, heal, 3 DPS. There are those who are able to operate outside of this, but that is not doable for most people.
Oh boy, this again.
A +15 being timed by exceptionally good players without a healer is not, in-fact, the herald of healer obsolescence. The vast majority of the player-base does not play at a level where DOING THAT is feasible, and it’s going to be a much more stressful and punishing experience to go without a healer either way.
Let’s examine one reason this will never be common-place, even if the skill of the average player skyrockets. One mistake; dead key.
Done. Having a Healer will objectively always be safer and provide a buffer between a bricked key and you.
Edit: Hell, man. I’m not even particularly good at the game in execution. But, I have a decent understanding of the content and know that the average player isn’t even at the point of brushing up on out-of-game class and route knowledge, which is where I’m at. Once more than 0.1% of the player-base starts doing this, I’ll worry.
99.999% will most certainly need them.
Also addressing the elephant twins in the room, lets just replace that prot paladin with a guardian druid and that aug with devastation and see if they still can pass.
This mentality has led to only ruin so far.
Top end players will always find a way to break the game and you know why? Because the game is not and should not be tuned around them, but instead around the remaining 99%.
Because 99.99% of the M+ population cannot do this.
Except it’s not just the top 1%, it’s literally 1 group who is well above the .1%.
can we confirm the same with 14,13,12,11? cause I need to know when I tell my healer friends we aren’t friends anymore.
Those melee have good self-heals.
Aug self explanatory
Zmok does this every season. It’s not that groups don’t need healers, 99.999999% of us do. They however, that group of players and specific specs all together do not up to a 15.
It does go to show how grossly unbalanced offhealing/defensives are though across dps.
Not really? It’s just a specific group of tight-nit players min/maxed to death. It’s not the rule, but the exception kind of thing.
People who can’t do the same thing as extremely high end players by extension complaining about it and saying it should mandate systemic change is funny. Stop tweaking, any ideas you have in your skull about ‘balancing’ around this will just make Healing or Tanking worse for 99.99% of the playerbase.
Have to hard disagree. They’re not doing that with a hunter, warlock, mage, and aug, for example.
For healing to be fun, people need to be able to die.
Have you actually tried healing, of late? I promise you, the average player is a champion dirt-eater.
Them standing in one shot mechanics doesn’t mean they can be healed.