Maybe I’m wrong….
But some friends and I just did a +14 and almost ++ it. We are a “casual” bunch. It felt like last seasons +10.
Also, PSA- I play BM Hunter and they are perfectly fine I’m guessing up to a +20. Around 6-7k over all dps depending on how it’s pulled.
Necrotic wake is super easy to ++ because of how strong the weapons are
We did +2 a 12 SD. Mind you, I said we are a pretty casual bunch. And this felt really easy compared to last season.
Oh it definitly is easier than last season. This affix basically has no learning curve. Prideful was more stressful and had a steeper learning curvel whereas with this you can just wing it and just kill the Anima bosses
The first season is always the hardest. Everything’s new. The HP/DMG increase per level is less of a factor then punishment for failed execution as the keys go up.
It’s definitely not the new 10, that’s a bit of a stretch but I see where your going with it. Also, BM has always been good! Glad your enjoying it
Currently, it’s more of a dps check then anything. For most of the dungeons that arn’t single target focused, everyone needs about 7k dps overall now. I have been in a few groups who were below that mark and missed the timer. The new Affix is nothing more than a time sink and doesn’t really change the run much. Prideful was more of a challenge and I preferred it that way. Getting 1500io in 2 days with 226 gear is a complete joke. Imagine what it will feel like in 252 gear.
KSM -wise… you don’t need to time key to get good rating under blizz system. depleting a 17 give as much rating as timing a 15.
we’re already boosting 15 timed ( 4-manning them) and we have 20 more ilvl to get in the coming weeks.
this might be one of the easiest seasons ever.
Just having the flexibility to pull however you want without having to worry about prideful appearing makes everything easier.
Good to know. I haven’t done S2 M+ runs yet and was wondering about this.
I agree. The scoring is bizarre. I understand what they are doing though, trying to make the score difference between the KSM guy vs the players that pushes keys closer to avoid discrimination in pugs. One thing I don’t agree with is how much score you get for bricking a key. You can brick all the keys and become a keystone master, which seems strange to me .
I did this before logging out last night… I prefer the freedom of the less rigid routing, but the keys feel fairly much like you describe.
Maybe because of the +20 incentive, we’ll see this season have higher keys across the community.
P. S. A. Don’t skip the mini boss below xav. I’ve become a fan of leaving Soggodon where he is, not in ToP.
definitely agree here, although i havent tried a 14 and have time 13s and ++12s with ease, usually the first season is the hardest bcuz ur starting at like 100 ilvl of 233max and are gearing up to make timers in a+15 while season 2 where starting at 226ish ilvl of 252max so it easier. i agree the S2 affix is nothing great definitely doesnt add to the dung like prideful did but it is what it is, plus new blizzard IO score is going to make KSM a joke now, wish it was still just 8 15s but whatever adapt and overcome. -happy hunting for S2 KSM peeps
I’ve been killing the lieutenant when you drop down first, then the one in Xav’s wing, then doubling back out to do Gorechop. That way we have 2 anima powers for most of the dungeon. Have not been able to time it though, both runs I had someone pull very low dps numbers, like 1k below the other 2.
The affixes this week are extremely easy and the only really hard dungeon to time is HoA. The hardest boss in my opinion on Tyrannical is the 1st one in ToP because everything else got nerfed down.
The dungeons are easier for healers because you don’t need to deal with prides and you get infinite mana the entire dungeon run once you unlock the mana orb torment power.
I wouldn’t say that +15s are the new +10s. It’s wrong to go in the mentality that if you timed +15s last season you can do +15s this season if you’ve never done +18s and higher.
The average +15 KSM player who hasn’t done any higher keys doesn’t bring enough damage to time the current +15s. You need people doing 6-7k+ dps to still time these things. Gear will make up the difference though once you’re 10+ iLvls higher.
People are already doing +20 keys this week so expecting +30s and higher keys late season for the top teams.
ToP is cursed. I’ve run it 4 times at different levels and no matter how I try to do huge pulls, I’m always over. Think the closest was 1m.
It’s a DPS check dungeon like HoA with an unforgiving timer. You need big pumps.
Lol, I pulled Xav’s Lieutenant with the mini boss, 2nd mini boss with the captain pack, and still missed the timer. Someone said I needed bigger pulls and I’m like, yeah right… dps was what was lacking. 0 wipes too.
I’m pretty convinced that everyone should be going ST spec in ToP tyrannical. I hate the idea that everyone in the group is using a “aoe spec” and then we board the struggle bus every time we do a boss or mini boss. Holding cds on ST also drives me crazy. Someone has to take one for the team.
How bad can your aoe dps be with ST build anyway? Why not focus priority damage on aoe pulls? Purple guy in DoS, squad leader and commanders, overseers, the guys who cast drain fluid in NW. Ya know, the mobs that cause the wipes.
Yeah I agree, it’s like high keys on pride, someone needs to pop a cd or even 2. It will still be back up before you know it.
I’ve noticed this as well. I also wouldn’t agree that (while Tormented is easier than Pride,) 10s are the equivalent as 15s at the moment. Still need big numbers to time.