What did you expect OP? That the classic servers everyone played on illegally and FREE, would also be free on live servers? Nothing is free in this world, so grow up.
Can't wait to see the player statistics of how many players get weeded out because they are too cheap to play 15/month for what they have been clamoring for years.
11/02/2018 03:27 PMPosted by YazfizbashIs this real?
I'm not paying $180 a year for ANY game,let alone a almost 15 year old game that doesn't get content updates.
This is a bad move by blizzard,and it will definitely effect the amount of people playing classic.
They should have cut the sub price in half at the least.
If I was planning on playing for 5 years,that is $900.
let that sink into your head for a second...$900 to play a 14+ year old game for 5 years.
You could buy 60 games at $15 each for that amount of money,there is no way classic is worth that much.
You have to be some kind of wow addict if you think this is a fair price.
$15 a month is nothing, stop being cheap.
11/02/2018 03:30 PMPosted by Yazfizbash11/02/2018 03:28 PMPosted by Osirus...
K bye.
I bet you have given blizzard at least $2,500 for WoW alone.
He will buy anything if its shiny and made by apple... or blizzard
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So basically you're mad that some non-RPers ruined Vanilla for you during a handful of server outages and you want it to be 10 times worse in classic because you want it to fail. Makes perfect sense.
Nah, laughing that I've been telling people that this could happen for months, and people like you are upset that it might be a reality for Classic.
The people here have built Classic up as the relaunch of Vanilla, when every sign pointed to that not being the case.
Every complaint that you non-RPers have complained about is something I've been through, and hasn't stopped me or my community from progressing.
"No sharding, it will ruin community!" I've got sharding on my RP servers, hasn't done anything bad to my community. The nature of RP servers is that people are extra flighty. I know a few people, but there are so many people who come and go that it's impossible to know everyone.
"No transmog, it will cause inflation!" RP server - people inflated the prices of gear because they look cool long before transmog was even a thing.
I'm saying is that I'm laughing at how these complaints are going to stop people like you from playing Classic. You're going to find a reason not to play.
So basically you're just mad and being spiteful? I'm saying what I like and don't like about it, not treating it like some sort of culture war political football thing.
I don't think combo subs actually makes money sense. I think it makes sense for a struggling live WoW department looking to justify funding to executives. Separate Classic WoW from live WoW might result in more profits, but not better performance reports for the live WoW team.
11/02/2018 03:30 PMPosted by Yazfizbash11/02/2018 03:28 PMPosted by Osirus...
K bye.
I bet you have given blizzard at least $2,500 for WoW alone.
WoW has been by far the greatest entertainment in my life in general. For 14 years to have a sub to something is to be expected. Adding years up and acting like it is a one time fee is ludicrous. It's intellectually dishonest.
I will say that if these issues continue in classic I will NOT be playing a Blizzard/Activision game.. EVER. AGAIN.
That said I don't necessarily mind the subbing with current. But I do find it an issue as there are many people not wanting to sub for current to play it. I would rather solo sub for Classic for 15$ than sub for Current WoW to play it. It's a matter of point, to show our support for what we believe to be a better game.
11/03/2018 12:05 AMPosted by Melaned11/02/2018 03:30 PMPosted by Yazfizbash...
I bet you have given blizzard at least $2,500 for WoW alone.
WoW has been by far the greatest entertainment in my life in general. For 14 years to have a sub to something is to be expected. Adding years up and acting like it is a one time fee is ludicrous. It's intellectually dishonest.
I will say that if these issues continue in classic I will NOT be playing a Blizzard/Activision game.. EVER. AGAIN.
That said I don't necessarily mind the subbing with current. But I do find it an issue as there are many people not wanting to sub for current to play it. I would rather solo sub for Classic for 15$ than sub for Current WoW to play it. It's a matter of point, to show our support for what we believe to be a better game.
I mind the subbing with current.
Live player pay a sub fee for a game they want to play and get a free game.
Classic players have to pay the same fee and get a game they dont want.
just in general as a consumer, what other product would you pay the same as the guy next to you and only accept half of the product, because the other half you have no use for.
$7 a month, or $5 a month if you buy a whole year. Anything more than that i'll buy 3-5 new AAA games.
They better announce a lesser fee for people that dont want to fund live.
11/03/2018 12:04 AMPosted by Koushi...
Nah, laughing that I've been telling people that this could happen for months, and people like you are upset that it might be a reality for Classic.
The people here have built Classic up as the relaunch of Vanilla, when every sign pointed to that not being the case.
Every complaint that you non-RPers have complained about is something I've been through, and hasn't stopped me or my community from progressing.
"No sharding, it will ruin community!" I've got sharding on my RP servers, hasn't done anything bad to my community. The nature of RP servers is that people are extra flighty. I know a few people, but there are so many people who come and go that it's impossible to know everyone.
"No transmog, it will cause inflation!" RP server - people inflated the prices of gear because they look cool long before transmog was even a thing.
I'm saying is that I'm laughing at how these complaints are going to stop people like you from playing Classic. You're going to find a reason not to play.
So basically you're just mad and being spiteful? I'm saying what I like and don't like about it, not treating it like some sort of culture war political football thing.
I don't think combo subs actually makes money sense. I think it makes sense for a struggling live WoW department looking to justify funding to executives. Separate Classic WoW from live WoW might result in more profits, but not better performance reports for the live WoW team.
And you'd be wrong. Any number that is different than retail's sub is bad for business.
The subscription is what carries the company, not expansions, not even the game itself. You do not have to buy WoW anymore, you just sub and play.
You're trying very hard to justify having a separate sub make sense, when you're not looking at the bottom line. The MAJORITY of players are casuals, who are willing to jump back and forth, and explore different aspects of the game. It is not the hardcore audience who fancies Classic only or retail raiding, or whatever it is.
The way to lure more casual players is to give them more options, not encourage them to overcome a paywall to "pay to unlock."
In no world does a paywall encourage casuals, and the majority of the money.
See, a business doesn't care if these people play Retail or Classic. Only you care which one they're playing.
Blizzard wants to get paid. That's how they please their investors They will not care which version of the game they are actually playing, as long as the money keeps coming in.
Some of us aren't poor. Just saying.
11/03/2018 12:05 AMPosted by MelanedThat said I don't necessarily mind the subbing with current. But I do find it an issue as there are many people not wanting to sub for current to play it. I would rather solo sub for Classic for 15$ than sub for Current WoW to play it. It's a matter of point, to show our support for what we believe to be a better game.
they dont need a separate sub to see w ho is playing what.
"WoW Classic launches Summer 2019 and is free to anyone with a WoW subscription."
I don't see what the problem is
I don't see what the problem is
If you don't want to support retail then just don't buy the expansions when they come out, it's always been 15 to play official WoW. Whether you make the most of your sub money and play all versions is up to you.
If it was a separate sub then your 15 would still be going to... Blizzard. What difference does it even make?!
BFA is the first expansion i've barely played, I don't like the changes they made. But who knows what the next expansions will be like, they could be amazing for all we know. I am grateful that I could play both if I ever wish to.
Saying you're out over something that actually gives potentially more value for money for thousands of people is really idiotic in my book.
If it was a separate sub then your 15 would still be going to... Blizzard. What difference does it even make?!
BFA is the first expansion i've barely played, I don't like the changes they made. But who knows what the next expansions will be like, they could be amazing for all we know. I am grateful that I could play both if I ever wish to.
Saying you're out over something that actually gives potentially more value for money for thousands of people is really idiotic in my book.
11/03/2018 12:23 AMPosted by DeadbodymanClassic players have to pay the same fee and get a game they dont want.
you speak for everyone now?
11/03/2018 12:23 AMPosted by DeadbodymanThey better announce a lesser fee for people that dont want to fund live.
and you also think you get to say what they do with your money once you give it to them?
You do get new content, great new features like SHARDING.
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this has to be the dumbest reasoning I have ever heard of. The $15 gets you retail AND classic, I am positive I understood that properly. Thus you are getting classic for $15 a month. as you have stated is fine. You are suggesting that giving you retail free in this case, vs getting classic for free if you have an active retail account, is somehow going to ruin the game.
Could you explain what you mean because it either makes no sense and needs clarification, or I honestly did misunderstand what htey said and I need to pay $15 for both games, and the right to pay for classic access is dependant on paying for retail access.
A number of people who want classic will gladly pay $15 for a paywall, even though it is an ancient game, so only people who want to pay to play can play. A combined sub has no paywall between live and classic.
This is exactly how you end up with overpriced 180 dollar a year no new content games. People continually saying "will gladly pay blah blah blah". It's the equivalent to consumers saying "I'd gladly buy a loot crate that gave upgrades" to EA for before releasing BF2. I'm sure the company will gladly take your overpriced offer and pocket the cash for no new content. Next up we're going to have players start saying "I'd gladly pay 180 a year for single player games". They're no new content so from a technical standpoint nearly the same.
Oh nose it's 15 dollars a month to play wow?!? Just like it has always been 15 dollars a month to play wow?!? No matter if you own the latest xpac or not it's 15 dollars a month to play wow?!? The nerve of blizzard to charge 15 dollars a month to play wow?!? They have always charged that much to access thier servers and no one should have expected or anticipated that they would charge 15 dollars to access thier servers?!?!!!!
11/03/2018 12:23 AMPosted by DeadbodymanClassic players have to pay the same fee and get a game they dont want.
[quote="207683404950"]you speak for everyone now?
Everyone not playing live yes, and its a hell of alot of people. If they wanted to play live they would be. thats the reason they are not playing live...because they dont want it...
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So basically you're just mad and being spiteful? I'm saying what I like and don't like about it, not treating it like some sort of culture war political football thing.
I don't think combo subs actually makes money sense. I think it makes sense for a struggling live WoW department looking to justify funding to executives. Separate Classic WoW from live WoW might result in more profits, but not better performance reports for the live WoW team.
And you'd be wrong. Any number that is different than retail's sub is bad for business.
The subscription is what carries the company, not expansions, not even the game itself. You do not have to buy WoW anymore, you just sub and play.
You're trying very hard to justify having a separate sub make sense, when you're not looking at the bottom line. The MAJORITY of players are casuals, who are willing to jump back and forth, and explore different aspects of the game. It is not the hardcore audience who fancies Classic only or retail raiding, or whatever it is.
The way to lure more casual players is to give them more options, not encourage them to overcome a paywall to "pay to unlock."
In no world does a paywall encourage casuals, and the majority of the money.
See, a business doesn't care if these people play Retail or Classic. Only you care which one they're playing.
Blizzard wants to get paid. That's how they please their investors They will not care which version of the game they are actually playing, as long as the money keeps coming in.
$15 + $5 > $15
I have a hard time imagining getting a ton of new subs from classic. I know some people think it's going to take off. I'm pretty skeptical though.
There's only really 3 potential revenue streams:
1) New classic-only subs
2) Charging extra for classic access
3) Retaining players during content droughts
New classic-only subs, $15/mo is too steep to expect people to see returnees come back en masse. Sure people can afford it, but they already cut it out of their life, they don't need it. It's a discretionary purchase. People who play pservers because it's F2P or F2Pers who can't afford the full sub are also out. You've got hipsters/boomers who want to live in the past and have been screeching for Classic for 10 years I guess, and maybe the occasional new person that will suddenly try WoW because it's 2 games for one sub? I don't see this being very large at $15/mo.
Charging extra for classic access, that's extra revenue. They don't make money per player, they make money per sub, which is why they tolerate multi-boxers. The people who don't want classic? They'll still pay the same $15. People who want it? You can milk an extra 1/3-2/3 of a sub and advertise it as a great deal discount for comboing your subs.
Increasing retention rate? Maybe, that's if it's successful to catering to the wants and needs to live players. I'm not sure that's a game I want. I'm not sure authentic vanilla is a big draw to the average live player. How many of these people would ultimately do get hooked to Classic would have payed extra for a combo sub? That's lost revenue.
Conflating Classic and live subs really screams that this has less to do with Acti-Blizz in relation to investors, and more the WoW team trying to present better inseparable numbers to execs. A sub is a sub. The way I see it is that Classic is being done by the WoW team to boost WoW numbers for better internal numbers. It's not being run independently to maximize revenue.
id pay if it was legit vanilla but right now it seems like garbage
No, the 15 bucks a month is for current Wow:
This happens to also let you play Classic Wow.
Genius!
Some people need to look up what a "business" is; This might help them understand.
This happens to also let you play Classic Wow.
Genius!
Some people need to look up what a "business" is; This might help them understand.
If i can play both Classic and Retail at the same time i will pay for subscription with wow tokens whilst farming the AH on retail for gold while i enjoying classic.
If i can't then i probably won't play it.
If i can't then i probably won't play it.