11/05/2018 07:58 PMPosted by
Ðæná
I played in Vanilla, and I've never touched a private server, and I think 15$/month is ridiculous.
I played BFA and got bored, and don't think I will resub for BFA.
I would like to play Classic, but won't pay 15$/month for it, but saying that, I never expected it to be free, that would make no sense. I'd be willing to buy the game or pay a reduced sub for it obviously, but I can't find any justification for myself to spend 15$/month for Classic.
That being said, if Blizzard were to offer it as an incentive for people who sub to BFA normally while having a separate lesser sub for Classic for people who just want that, I'd be perfectly okay with that.
But Vanilla was a $15 sub. Pay the sub and think of it as blizzard giving you retail, up to Legion, as a thank you for subbing to Classic.
11/05/2018 07:59 PMPosted by
Thèón
11/05/2018 07:58 PMPosted by
Ðæná
I played in Vanilla, and I've never touched a private server, and I think 15$/month is ridiculous.
I played BFA and got bored, and don't think I will resub for BFA.
I would like to play Classic, but won't pay 15$/month for it, but saying that, I never expected it to be free, that would make no sense. I'd be willing to buy the game or pay a reduced sub for it obviously, but I can't find any justification for myself to spend 15$/month for Classic.
That being said, if Blizzard were to offer it as an incentive for people who sub to BFA normally while having a separate lesser sub for Classic for people who just want that, I'd be perfectly okay with that.
But Vanilla was a $15 sub. Pay the sub and think of it as blizzard giving you retail, up to Legion, as a thank you for subbing to Classic.
I own BFA, so I'd have a BFA sub technically, but that is beside the point.
I don't see the value in a 14 year old game, that won't receive content updates outside of things that were previously released, as being worth 15$/month.
This has nothing to do with retail and everything to do with what I believe the value of Classic is to myself.
11/05/2018 08:03 PMPosted by
Ðæná
11/05/2018 07:59 PMPosted by
Thèón
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But Vanilla was a $15 sub. Pay the sub and think of it as blizzard giving you retail, up to Legion, as a thank you for subbing to Classic.
I own BFA, so I'd have a BFA sub technically, but that is beside the point.
I don't see the value in a 14 year old game, that won't receive content updates outside of things that were previously released, as being worth 15$/month.
This has nothing to do with retail and everything to do with what I believe the value of Classic is to myself.
You already got Classic for free with that BfA sub.
11/05/2018 08:11 PMPosted by
Thèón
11/05/2018 08:03 PMPosted by
Ðæná
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I own BFA, so I'd have a BFA sub technically, but that is beside the point.
I don't see the value in a 14 year old game, that won't receive content updates outside of things that were previously released, as being worth 15$/month.
This has nothing to do with retail and everything to do with what I believe the value of Classic is to myself.
You already got Classic for free with that BfA sub.
I don't have a BFA sub any longer and have no interest of resubbing to BFA.
BFA is completely irrelevant in the conversation for me. BFA has absolutely no bearing on whether I play Classic on not.
People who sub to retail, can get Classic for free with it, that would be fine with me, but as I said, for me to find enough value in Classic, it would have to be at a reduced sub cost, separate from the current 15$/month retail sub. (IE 2 different subs, one for retail with Classic included "free", and one exclusively for Classic that is cheaper)
I don't want or expect Classic to be free by any means, it's worth is just not 15$/month for me. For some it might be, but not for me.
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Fair enough. Good luck with your crusade.
Crusade? Is that a reference to the expansion that added blood elves, or have you mistaken me for a paladin?
I'm happy to pay for Classic when it's released. I'd rather it wasn't bundled with retail just because retail is something I have no use for, and I'd prefer not to have an influx of trolls on Classic servers whenever retail hits a "content drought," a.k.a. "reminder that the design of retail is atrocious." But I honestly would have been a little surprised if I'd gotten the separate subscription I hoped for.
Classic is retail, just a different game you play off the same service
And I'm willing to bet most the "retail trolls" you'll encounter will be classic full time players on smurfs to rile you up by demanding LFR in trade channels to watch you freak out
But that's okay because a toxic community of trolls is part of the vanilla experience anyways :)
11/05/2018 07:59 PMPosted by
Thèón
11/05/2018 07:58 PMPosted by
Ðæná
I played in Vanilla, and I've never touched a private server, and I think 15$/month is ridiculous.
I played BFA and got bored, and don't think I will resub for BFA.
I would like to play Classic, but won't pay 15$/month for it, but saying that, I never expected it to be free, that would make no sense. I'd be willing to buy the game or pay a reduced sub for it obviously, but I can't find any justification for myself to spend 15$/month for Classic.
That being said, if Blizzard were to offer it as an incentive for people who sub to BFA normally while having a separate lesser sub for Classic for people who just want that, I'd be perfectly okay with that.
But Vanilla was a $15 sub. Pay the sub and think of it as blizzard giving you retail, up to Legion, as a thank you for subbing to Classic.
Thats not how it really is and you know it.
This is unlearnable for most of you. If i have to pay $15.00 a month to play classic, then you retail people should have to as well.
Forget this free business.
I do not want BFA/Retail.
I will not play BFA/retail.
There is not one drop of desire to engage, at all for any reason, in BFA retail.
If all of the expansions up to date were gifted to me along with a lifetime sub to retail, I STILL WOULD NOT TOUCH IT.
Do you understand this? No retail. None. Zero. ZIp.
So.....with that being said, I will effectively be paying for a game I do not want and will not play.
So lets do some math.
That means I will be paying $15 a month to play classic and classic alone.
Therefore, retail people should not be getting it for free. The same logic applies BOTH WAYS.
This is not entitlement. This is called, "fairness" or if you prefer, "equality".
In other words, "I DON'T WANT FOP *&% @*#^ IT! I'm a dapper-dan man".
This has to be the only community who can take "We will be charging nothing additional to your current sub" and turn it into a negative. Its not like blizzard is going to go and get the original server hardware from vanilla as well, its still running on newer and more expensive hardware.
Blizzard is legit allowing you to pay the exact same price, and charge absolutely nothing extra to play a game that they had to develop dev time to, to downgrade the existing client to 1.12 to a fanatic fanbase that will explode if even the slightest difference is detected.
Who complains about being able to play both games for absolutely no increase in price, you don't even have to buy bfa, why would they overcomplicate it by creating 2-3 different subscription options
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11/05/2018 08:49 PMPosted by
Hexagon
Thats not how it really is and you know it.
This is unlearnable for most of you. If i have to pay $15.00 a month to play classic, then you retail people should have to as well.
Yes that is exactly how it is, and to play BFa we have to buy that to boot, Classic has no box cost, you just have to pay a WoW sub fee, so yah both of us have to pay the same 15$.
11/05/2018 08:49 PMPosted by
Hexagon
If all of the expansions up to date were gifted to me along with a lifetime sub to retail, I STILL WOULD NOT TOUCH IT.
Do you understand this? No retail. None. Zero. ZIp.
So.....with that being said, I will effectively be paying for a game I do not want and will not play.
No, and what has been repeated tons of times needs to said again, once you give them , even if it was a separate sub, that money can and will go to wherever they choose, so you may actually be paying for a game you do not want anyway.
Now i can't keep track, you are fine with paying cheaper Classic only sub or where you wanting a 15$ Classic only sub?
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A singular sub is literally the most consumer friendly decision they could have made. You are arguing a non issue.
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11/05/2018 08:03 PMPosted by
Ðæná
11/05/2018 07:59 PMPosted by
Thèón
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But Vanilla was a $15 sub. Pay the sub and think of it as blizzard giving you retail, up to Legion, as a thank you for subbing to Classic.
I own BFA, so I'd have a BFA sub technically, but that is beside the point.
I don't see the value in a 14 year old game, that won't receive content updates outside of things that were previously released, as being worth 15$/month.
This has nothing to do with retail and everything to do with what I believe the value of Classic is to myself.
Its not like they have a !@#$ ton of work to do in the next 8-10 months to strip and rebuild the code to run on their modern server hardware with modern networking systems.
Things that make me really happy, the one reason i resubbed in legion. oceanic placed oceanic servers and the corresponding ping.
My point is that they dont have a copy of the code and are just like HAHAHAHA lets make them wait 9 months and charge them for a full game mwahahahaha.
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11/05/2018 08:49 PMPosted by
Hexagon
Thats not how it really is and you know it.
This is unlearnable for most of you. If i have to pay $15.00 a month to play classic, then you retail people should have to as well.
Yes that is exactly how it is, and to play BFa we have to buy that to boot, Classic has no box cost, you just have to pay a WoW sub fee, so yah both of us have to pay the same 15$.
11/05/2018 08:49 PMPosted by
Hexagon
If all of the expansions up to date were gifted to me along with a lifetime sub to retail, I STILL WOULD NOT TOUCH IT.
Do you understand this? No retail. None. Zero. ZIp.
So.....with that being said, I will effectively be paying for a game I do not want and will not play.
No, and what has been repeated tons of times needs to said again, once you give them , even if it was a separate sub, that money can and will go to wherever they choose, so you may actually be paying for a game you do not want anyway.
Now i can't keep track, you are fine with paying cheaper Classic only sub or where you wanting a 15$ Classic only sub?
But um...i paid a box cost for it.
I would go with a cheaper classic sub but I also endorse a 15 a month if its attatched to each respectively.
I only want to pay for 1 game as I will only touch 1 game. And with that being said, if i am forced to pay for 2 games, then is it not fair that everyone else does as well?
It seems terribly unfair that BFA players get it for free when those of us who do not want BFA, at all, have to support it to play the 14 year old version.
If people want to fight this then fine but I will not support it. Its wrong, cheap, and sleazy. The objective isn't anything but boosting numbers.
All they have to do is keep pusing and people will start finding ways to hide private servers better. But thats the thing, I would rather a blizzard sanctioned server but if they are going to be like this, Steam has thousands of games. Origin has thousands of games.
I have a nice system and an 21:9 that suits me. WoW has been gone since Cata to me. Lots of great memories and they can stay as just that. This will get released this summer.
Just in time for the steam summer sale.
You aside, most people simply cannot grasp or wrap their head around that people do not want retail, no matter how much it is. Bundling it in at retail price is an insult.
11/05/2018 09:05 PMPosted by
Flåm
11/05/2018 08:03 PMPosted by
Ðæná
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I own BFA, so I'd have a BFA sub technically, but that is beside the point.
I don't see the value in a 14 year old game, that won't receive content updates outside of things that were previously released, as being worth 15$/month.
This has nothing to do with retail and everything to do with what I believe the value of Classic is to myself.
Its not like they have a !@#$ ton of work to do in the next 8-10 months to strip and rebuild the code to run on their modern server hardware with modern networking systems.
Things that make me really happy, the one reason i resubbed in legion. oceanic placed oceanic servers and the corresponding ping.
My point is that they dont have a copy of the code and are just like HAHAHAHA lets make them wait 9 months and charge them for a full game mwahahahaha.
No one has said they are just tossing out an old game on old hardware with no work put into it. Everyone know's they have been and will continue to work on it till it is ready and works nearly perfectly.
I don't know what game doesn't go through tons of development time, but that's to be expected, and not free.
Still doesn't mean I value the game at 15$/month. If they want to charge me a box fee for all the time they've spent on it, that's fine. If they want to charge me a sub fee for it, that's fine, but I won't be paying that fee if it's 15$/month.
11/05/2018 09:09 PMPosted by
Hexagon
But um...i paid a box cost for it.
Not the version they are working on now.
11/05/2018 09:09 PMPosted by
Hexagon
would go with a cheaper classic sub but I also endorse a 15 a month if its attatched to each respectively.
I only want to pay for 1 game as I will only touch 1 game. And with that being said, if i am forced to pay for 2 games, then is it not fair that everyone else does as well?
The sub is 15 to access the base game currently, they are adding the Classic Client to that, and not charging you for either. the base game is free, the Classic Client is free, you are paying the same access fee as someone who had to buy a box to play the most current content.
11/05/2018 09:09 PMPosted by
Hexagon
It seems terribly unfair that BFA players get it for free when those of us who do not want BFA, at all, have to support it to play the 14 year old version.
They don't get it for free, they have to pay the same sub fee as you to access it, and did you miss what I said above?
even if it was a separate sub, that money can and will go to wherever they choose, so you may actually be paying for a game you do not want anyway
11/05/2018 09:09 PMPosted by
Hexagon
You aside, most people simply cannot grasp or wrap their head around that people do not want retail, no matter how much it is. Bundling it in at retail price is an insult.
I can understand that my friend, i really can, I support a cheaper classic only sub, though that has its problems too, but making Classic free, and requiring a WoW sub is not an insult, especially if you were ok with paying 15$ anyway, that's a gift, since they will know where you spend your time, it will be VERY clear which one is getting more players and having a healthy population is great for BOTH.
dude are you dumb. that's as bad as claiming someone paid $50 just to play the classic demo. come on don't be stupid you pay for all the content you get. it will be $15 for classic + BFA and all the content that comes with it.
No… $15 a month for a great game. Cheap price to pay to return to when WoW was actually good!
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Why do you keep bumping threads from like 4-5 months ago?
That 15 dollars a month pays for GM’s, Cheat Monitoring and professional customer support. It is totally worth having a monthly fee. Granted I will have certain expectations for my sub but generally blizzard is good at providing that.
You pay for what you feel is worth your money. If 15$ for classic doesnt feel worth it to you, than go spend your money elsewhere. The rest of us will gladly spend that money to play a game we get a ridiculous amount of replay value out of it.
Pretty sure I and many others have spent the equivalent of 15$ a month for 5 years on dumber things.
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Used copies of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night are going for about $80 right now. And that’s a 22 year old game.