Because Blizz has stated its only going to be a thing for world tour seasons because of they arent designed to do the same week every week.
You dont have any room to talk rofl
LOL no
100% this ^^^
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8 dungeons = 8 bosses.
First two timed 12s, 1/5 chance (Different dungeons)
First two timed 13, 1/5 chance
First two 14,
First two 15s,
And probably start after the 0.5 patch so as to not completely upend the gearing paradigm. Still gives people ages to work up to challenging keys, get the loot, and push later in the season.
Thatâd absolutely fine.
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Yea, Iâm fine with this. Iâve seen you post it before. Not a fan of âlimitingâ peopleâs runs to X dungeon for better loot. (Because if they run others, they canât get mythic anymore.)
Implementing a key system would feel odd. (Like delves.)
Not like I can go kill mythic sikran 8 times a week til he drops a neck either.
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True, but I mean if your BIS is out of say Mists, then you canât run other +12s (because itâll remove the chance.)
Ah, yeah first 2 might be a bit weird in that case if you can only do 12s but not 13s or higher. But then again itâs not like ansurek loot drops from ulgrax.
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You could give a mythic drop for the first 10 you do each week to make it more comparable, but at the end of the day people who do multi content always gear faster. I think Blizz wants people doing everything to gear and not just 1 thing.
At the end of the day people keep complaining like âI donât want to do raid or dungeons, I just want to do one thing and get all my BIS!â
Since wow was created youâve always had to run everything to be the best. There were quests, dungeons and raids combined to get to full power. I donât think itâs reasonable to just say you want to purely raid and expect to be able to keep up with people, just like you canât purely M+ and expect a raider to not have some cooler stuff or gear faster.
Think if each level of key only counts twice in vault, itâll be an improvement to the great vault for parity purposes.
(2 slots would need 2x 10, 2x 11, 3rd slot would be 2x 12, and 2x 13.)
But also feels like designing esoteric rules just for m+.
Thatâs kinda a requirement when youâre trying to create parity between infinitely farmable content and weekly content, especially when the delta of difficulty even within said content is so vast.
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So something like ultimates in FFXIV right?
If so, ngl, I would love it but I donât think Blizzard has what it takes to make it work here.
Cause we would need to reduce the group size in Mythic raiding and we would need to allow peop get the cosmetics even after the season ends, and the last require a well made scaling system.
Now let this sink for a second, âa well made system by Blizzardâ 
Because thatâs the only thing in M+ that has any kind of lockout.
Because blizz wants it running like a mobile game and not an actual progressive experience you have agency over.
Itâs not esports to play for weekly login lootboxes. Itâs not real gear progression when youâre put in loot timeout where the devs are control freaks and want to remove player agency at all costs.
Their weekly login lootbox as fake progress is intentional. Itâs a troll effort by the company to force monetize their game more, itâs a feature for them, not you. They want to monetize on impatient players into buying wow tokens to craft gear and pay off boosters.
They also would rather farm off player sunk cost fallacy rather than let content stand up on its own, to ensure people who donât like the game are subbed still like itâs a bad relationship. By dictating things in terms of weekly login lootboxes they can stretch that out rather than people play at their own pace, and farm sunk cost fallacy generated via artificial timegate as progress.
lockouts have no place in gaming other than to monetize a game like itâs a mobile game. I know itâs a foreign concept to you but it is none of your concern how fast someone plays through content. That is not a valid topic. If something is being played too fast you make the content harder and lower drop rates, but you do not put people into loot timeout like lockouts.
By touching them and putting players into artificial timeout youâve now made the progression feel fake and worthless. The progression is then âprogressionâ that is a vehicle to sell premium currency by taking away player agency to then steer players into other means of gaming it.
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A big reason why lockouts and timegating have existed in mmos is because you want people to play together, if most of your content last only 2 weeks because you didnât timegate anything then most players will stop playing after 2 weeks. Thatâs not great for a âliving gameâ
Moreover there is something to be said about that formula which has kept raiding semi-casual as you can raid 2-3 days a week on a schedule and chill like you could do with many other organized activities/sports.
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Thatâs when you make content hard and drop rates scarce. It is on the devs to not make content a loot pinata and phone it in with putting people in loot timeout thatâs ran like a freemium mobile game with weekly login lootbox design.
The problem is if you make loot scarce nowadays youâll probably piss off people hence why theyâve timegated instead with the upgrade system which has different advantages/disadvantages.
Moreover hard content is only for a niche and it doesnât mean that that niche wants no lockout. I personally prefer the lockout system for mythic raiding as else you might be expected to pug some bosses and there will be degen way to use other people lockout even more easily.
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No, because players will be doing easier content first and by making progression have meaningful agency by moving away from the weekly login lootbox, people will actually see a value in harder content.
Blizzard is learning first hand that stonewalling m+ like itâs hard esports is like multiplying by zero when itâs all about the weekly login lootbox fake progression. Of course thereâs no appetite for anything other than welfare loot when the game is about cheesing for weekly login lootboxes.
Look Iâll put it this way, theyâve given easier access to better gear historically and it didnât make hard content done more, if anything itâs done less as a big attraction in this game is gear so if you make gear much easier to get then thereâs not much point for many people to push that content.
Higher levels of M+ have been done much more because they have pushed rewards higher.