I’m guessing we’re going to find out it’s being used incorrectly… and it’s totally not it’s fault or something equally absurd.
Yeah, this new format needed more time to cook.
About the only nice thing is people I have on ignore also have their quotes erased when someone quotes them, so I don’t have to see what they wrote.
I can’t even get the quoting to work on my mobile today. Worked on my PC, though.
Lovely, just another great Blizzard patch.
Aw, duck.
I only just figured out how to quote on phones.
Chasing gotchas, are we?
You left out the part where they were trying to stop the AU timeline dying with Light vaccines (do your ideas for freedom an autonomy also apply to anti-vaxxers? I’m not one, and I disagree with them, but I respect that’s their choice to make, unlike some).
How dare they try to save the cosmos? Jealous they’re stealing the adventurers’ thunder?
No, you participated by posting that comment. If you don’t want to participate, don’t say anything. You’re trying to fan the flames rather than ignore and move on. You are what you accused me of.
That’s what they claimed, but they were literally killing the planet by turning it into a giant light crystal.
Not exactly paragons of truth, honesty, or integrity.
Just enslavement at literally any cost, including the life of every single being – including themselves – on the planet when it fails.
???
Do you understand what any of these terms you are attempting to use mean?
Sorry, allow me to correct it: the Lightbound were deluded into thinking that their genocidal purges and forceful conversions of the mag’har was to save the planet, because they were all too lost in the Light sauce to pause and consider that maybe the fiercely shamanistic culture that communed with the foundational elements of the world itself might not be the actual reason the planet was dying.
They weren’t saving the cosmos. That’s just your “The Light can’t be wrong!” overdrive refusing to see what is plainly written allover that scenario.
I’m here to talk about WoW. I am not here to discuss old hot button issues unrelated to WoW with randos online.
Refusing to talk about vaccines means I am trying to force the topic into a discussion about vaccines? Logic!
We STILL on the whole The light is a stand in for my religion, and therefor can never be criticized and the light is never wrong schtick? 
Still have yet to see any indication that Illidan was wrong when he blew away Xera. I’d prefer it remained that way too.
And yet you take the Mag’har’s words at face value? Funny that you talk about enslavement when the Mag’har used to be the Iron Horde and the Lightbound include THEIR former slaves.
Not exactly paragons of truth, honesty, or integrity.
The fourth Chronicles stated they were trying to stop AU Draenor dying, and that hasn’t been retconned yet.
I found it sus you commented here so soon after our discussion in another thread.
Sorry, allow me to correct it WITH CANON FROM CHRONICLES: The Naaru saw AU Draenor dying and told the Draenei to Lightforge everyone to try and prevent that because “the fiercely shamanistic culture that communed with the foundational elements of the world” clearly failed to prevent the planet from dying. When some didn’t want to be Lightforged, things spiraled from there.
That’s just your personal dislike for me.
Don’t blame me for noticing parallels given certain people’s comments.
That’s from another discussion.
You still spewing that strawman? I thought you were better than that now.
More like certain people are still on that The Light is a stand in for a religion I hate, and therefore negative portrayals of it can never be criticized schtick. Seriously, times like this the WoW forums briefly turn into r/atheism (you may not be atheist, but you parrot their hot takes sometimes).
Considering that had plot holes and was written by people from the lawsuit who had a lot of issues, I wouldn’t be so quick to embrace that angsty-teen-grade power fantasy.
Sure.
We know the Light is capable of insanely great evil.
We’ve seen the Scarlet Crusade.
We’ve seen Zeliek.
We’ve seen Grand Lector Enaara.
We’ve seen Xe’ra.
And now we’re seeing the Lightblind.
This is not a new thing.
They’ve been building it up for years.
You’re closing your eyes, stuffing your ears, and screaming “NONONONONONONO” to drown out anything that goes contrary to what you want to be true.
Bit rich to say that about me after you just stuffed your ears, and screaming “NONONONONONONO” to drown out anything that goes contrary to what you want to be true about the mag’har.
You’re really grasping at straws for “evil” Light characters with that comment.
I never denied the Scarlet Crusade are evil and happily slaughter them (and the Onslaught, and the Brotherhood), though I’m bored of them now. And they didn’t have Naaru backing (which has yet to be rectonned).
Sir Zeliek did his evil as a Death Knight and wasn’t in control of his actions; a prisoner in his own body. His evil was Death’s fault, not Light’s.
Grand Lector Enaara has done nothing wrong yet apart from being rude a couple of times; by that logic Jaina is more evil than her, so that’s personal taste.
For all her ruthlessness, Xe’ra was a better person than Sylvanas, and Sylvanas escaped the “evil label.
This “Lightblind” business has already got plot holes AND THE EXPANSION’S NOT EVEN OUT YET!
I consider insanely great evil to be like Gul’dan, the Burning Legion or Azshara. Nothing and no-one from the Light comes close to any of them, and you know it.
Not even Yrel (who you left out, surprisingly), who lacks the sadism of Gul’dan or the racism of Azshara.
But we know they’re objectively correct.
They were turning Draenor to light crystal with their Lightblinded fanatical evil zeal.
But we both know that’s objectively wrong.
They were trying to prevent AU Draenor dying, and the Mag’har were sure quick to cover up the Iron Horde, downplay their own subjugation of the Ogres and didn’t mention THEY were the ones who drove the Breakers to extinction (telling how you quote-mined and avoided the rest of my comment… ADDENDUM: until I called you out).
The Light empowered Arthas’s evil and helped him do it.
She’s been fighting for thousands of years and is fully okay with “purifying” captured prisoners of war. This is exactly what I mean. Stuffing your ears, closing your eyes, and screaming “NONONONONONONONO”
https://i.imgur.com/rR30cCb.jpeg
Sir Zeliek’s still exonerated and Arthas was to blame for his own actions, Light or no Light.
Shall we also blame Arcane/Order for Azshara’s evil? She was a genocidal racist BEFORE contacting Sargeras or N’Zoth.
Enaara’s techniques came from fighting LITERAL DEMONS. Something tells me she wasn’t converting them to Light worship. Plus, if she was as bad as you say, she wouldn’t be waiting for an authority figure’s say-so.
Face it, good, evil or neutral, Light isn’t as bad as you want to think it is.
By whomst?
The children he used it to “purify”?
She finds joy in performing war and finds happiness in “purifying” prisoners of war.
It brings her joy to perform acts of objective evil, and you defend it as good and just which proves that you cannot be taken seriously. lmao.
By not being in control of his own actions because Death/necromancy was puppeting him (you keep ignoring that part or are too proud to admit you were wrong about him). Citation needed on that children bit.
https:// wowpedia. fandom. com/wiki/Sir_Zeliek
Seems more like an Enaara flaw than the Light’s. By that logic, we can also blame Arcane/Order for Azshara’s evil.
That says more about you than I; You getting that many lore facts wrong and strawmanning me says you can’t be taken seriously. lmao.
I literally posted a screenshot where she admitted to love these things.
lmfao.
What are you even talking about?
I don’t even dislike you. I just think you have, for whatever reason, made The Light part of your identity and refuse to look objectively at the content. You begin from “The Light is good/correct” and work backwards.
I’m not. I’m blaming you for trying to turn pointing out the immorality of forced Lightforging and purges into a political debate about vaccines and antivaxxers.
I’m not sure if you’re confused or what, but you can still scroll up.