“I do not regret the choices I made, nor do I bear ill will towards those who met me with their fangs bared”
Wasn’t the entire reason to let her get away with her atrocities that her soul wasn’t whole and that she actually regrets the things she did? What’s the point of bringing back the genocidal monster version of Sylvanas, how does this benefit the story and players apart from causing outrage?
Can we get Teldrassil back and the night elf souls revived before we pull something this upsetting? I can’t see myself buying midnight if the story is going to be this disrespectful again. Like atleast bring the genocide/torture victims back and mend that wound before you even consider something like that.
It makes me sad that after so long, Blizzard still seemingly hasn’t learned anything. Why do we need a genocidal mass murderer who doesn’t regret anything back in the story apart from just killing her off quickly? What makes us think she’d not do it again if she had the option since she doesn’t regret anything?
I would say this entire questline is just bad for both factions. But hey, Blizzard wants the two factions at each others throats so bad they can’t help but poke at scabbed wounds.
Sylvanas “Burn Those Night Elf Savages” Windrunner at least concedes that her antagonism towards the people of Teldrassil precludes her return. Vereesa “Exterminate Those Blood Elf Rats” Windrunner ends the chain skipping off to visit the people of Silvermoon. It’d be laughable if her absence on the alpha didn’t suggest an apt response is forthcoming.
More like she simply disliked the blood elves for helping the Horde, the faction who killed her husband.
Legion paints that she actually does care enough about blood elves to at least want to save a foolish blood elf who jumped into a portal trying to help her find her sister/her sister’s bow.
Kind of. They said her soul was separated, and that was the reason for her aggression and hatred but did not fully excuse her actions. She was witness to everything that her banshee side did. She was sort of trapped in a vessel of sorts. SL lore didn’t really do a good job at making it clear that while part of her soul that pushed the Sylvanas that defended Silvermoon was separated from the part that would be turned into a banshee, it was still somehow still a part of her. Able to see her actions and witness her change into a monster.
She decided when her soul was put back into place to take blame for the banshee side as well.
As far as Sylvanas, the whole point of her actions was based on a lie by the Jailer. A lie she herself turned against in the end. I mean, for her to say she doesn’t regret is so contrary to her story in SL as indicate she is mentally ill.
And having Vareesa skip off to Silvermoon as if the purge never happened? I can only shake my head.
Conclusion, the writers are both deaf to the players and generally horrible at writing?
Sylvanas fancied she had reasons to oppose the night elf people, too, and they were far less personal than Vereesa’s. And none of them matter to the people she victimized.
Vereesa leads (led?) a faction dedicated to thwarting Silvermoon’s interests and instigated a population purge of Silvermoon’s people. Sylvanas is cognizant of the antipathy her antagonism has generated among Teldrassil’s people and her little sister should feel much the same about a reunion with Silvermoon’s. It’s ridiculous that her prospective return doesn’t even allude to the elephant purged from the room.
If I’m Vereesa, an avowed anti-blood elf cursed with visions of a blood elf apocalypse, I’m really worried about how the blood elves are going to take this news from me, of all people. “Azeroth must be crazy,” I’d say, “and they’d be crazy to believe me.”
Simply disliked is an understatement anyway when in the purge quests, Vereesa says that she wanted to do what she was doing at that moment for years but Rhonin talked her out of it. She’s no different than Sylvanas, only Sylvanas at least took full responsibility and had her soul separated to excuse her actions at least. She still took responsibility for the banshee.
It’s absolutely hypocritical to only have Horde characters pay a price or atone for these kinds of actions. But the writers don’t seem to realize how they treat these things differently.
I don’t really see a path forward for Sylvanas. She can’t be the Sylvanas people liked and also be tolerated on Azeroth by pretty much anyone, Alliance or Horde. It isn’t even the fault of the writing team, as the person responsible is long gone. They can’t not do anything with one of the most iconic characters they have left (especially on the Horde roster).
Seems like a lose/lose to me, so they’re probably just going to have to pick which lose is the least offensive.
This is a tough one as both sides have committed atrocities and you’re basically reminded by the storytelling that no one really is benevolent in times of war. Tyrande is certainly no kind elf, she ordered the slaughter of thousands of mortals, worked her own people’s refugees to death in mines in Darkshore, murders her own wardens so Illidan could be freed and embraced the Void to chase after Sylvanas. I have RP characters in Horde and Alliance and its interesting to see how storylines point of views change between the factions.
That being said, however, the lines given to Sylvanas were rather curious. The line she speaks is based on the speech general Douglas MacArthur made in 1951 when he said “I regret nothing but don’t blame people for hating me”
In this context it makes no sense as in the Shadowlands she was initially horrified at what her Banshee-side did. I’m left to wonder if we’re about to face a multi-personality Sylvanas, where we will never be 100% certain which fractured part of her we’re talking to.
My unpopular opinion is that the only reason I don’t want Teldrassil back is because the reason Teldrassil existed was the ambition of immortality, and Amirdrassil has a more interesting existence.
But otherwise I totally agree. Wasn’t there a questline in DF about her caring about the Horde and everything? The quest was practically an apology. All of this, to go back to how it was before… thank goodness I never bought anything in pre-sale after BfA.
In the Legion remix, I have a strong feeling that the writers didn’t know what to do with Sylvanas, or rather, they didn’t know how to make her a well-developed villain.
Replaying legion in the remix, I understand why things turned out the way they did in BfA and SL. There are some poorly written elements there, and Sylvanas is one of them.
She didn’t have much of a choice. She is still considered culpable for her actions, divided soul or not. She’s supposed to be in eternal latrine duty cleaning up the Maw and making sure every soul there gets redeemed.
The problem is there were different authors writing Sylvannas between Legion and Batttle for Azeoth. The ones in the latter were in the Gamer Gate crowd looking to trash powerful female characters such as Sylvannas and possibly Tyrande as well. But mainly Sylvannas to crap on those championing the character the way Metzen championed Thrall.
The problem them became how to walk back what the Cosby Room Gang had done. Sylvannas was one of the most popular characters dating back from the RTS and a lot of fans were justly upset on where the character had been taken.
What I hate about this quest is the way Sylvanas is portrayed as a great detective. SL too oredered? The Maw is clumsy fusion of different worlds made by Zoval. It will soon turn out she will be neede in Titans conspiracy plot. Sylvanas + cosmic intrigue is the worst direction they could go. If they so desperately want her back, let Sylvanas simply hear about the threat to Quel’thalas from Arator, so she will beg Tyrande to let her go there for a while.
And please give up this stupid idea of permanently destroying souls. No one will mad at you for this, Blizzard.
It’s like what the video shows. Uther tells her that they still both have to deal with what their other side of their souls did. That inaction damns us all.
It’s funny how they only do this to one character. Being that several have committed genocide on both sides. It feels performative.
I was considering posting a video of a shark eating.
But then I took a moment to consider how gruesome that would be.
Just imagine it.
Then imagine someone is gleefully, cheerfully feeding someone to a shark.
Consider how bonechillingly evil they have to be.
Not one hint of goodness in their soul.
Just evil.
The Entirety of the Shadowlands should be contributing members to the Maw Cleanup. They’re all Responsible. Revendreth dumped souls in there actively. Bastion had its Kyrian grabbing souls and dropping them off into the Oribos funnel that went straight to the hellpit.
They should all be in there picking up the pieces, because the entire system didn’t seem to care if it was broken to begin with. Tyrande having one elf do cleanup is actively forcing the souls of her own people to just suffer in that grey-beige hell until their number comes up in the queue of waiting for Sylvanas to find them.
As far as the universe in which Azeroth exists, war isn’t new and mass death isn’t new either. The night elves aren’t special just for dying during a specific moment in time, ignoring all the nonsense that is the fact that the Shadowlands operate with some sort of variable-time. It’s honestly silly to say that Stormwind’s losses during the first war, or the millions of souls lost when Draenor exploded matter less than a single Tree-city.
What about all the souls of the “Craven Races” (as Maiev eloquently puts it) who the Night Elves have slaughtered across the ages? Someone else gonna apologize to them at some point?
And their goddess even betrayed them by literally flushing them all down the tubes and into the hellpit, not knowing, and not being able to know that the soul machine was broken. Elune didn’t even bother to call up her sister and tell her she was just going to drop off all her dead kids to live with their aunt they had never heard of.
So you’re gonna say that this entire silly situation is the fault of one undead elf when apparently this whole shebang was being set up from before Sargeras lost his mind being worried about Void Lords who apparently didn’t exist this whole time because they ate each other like russian nesting dolls and the final one had already been exploded by mortal magic?
Yah’ best start believin’ in bad storylines, Miss Elesa. You’re in one!
