Exactly, which is why it should be instant and off the GCD like I’ve been suggesting. It would require a nerf to it’s damage buff but that’s fine.
You got some heavy confession through projection going on there.
You just absurdly accused me of behaving how you just DID. Sorry dude I didn’t throw a tantrum, insult, or behave in the childish nasty way you just did.
So entitled, 
that no one can even have an opposing opinion which neither you or anyone was insulted, even a little. I never insulted your way of playing, heck I ever even read your player name before today
I never said you shouldn’t be able to play the way you like. I was directly responding to the quote about people who get upset about having to throwing Lava Burst. Well I don’t get upset, which was the point of my post, because I LIKE Lava Burst. I was explaining why some people like the way “it was” (again to the quoted text about Lava Burst), and why I liked the way it was. If you can’t learn to accept other people have opinions, perhaps don’t come reading the forums and being a jerk just because I like a different pie than you.
My goodness, you call me arrogant incel for not liking to play the way you do? Grow the hell up, and perhaps take some anger classes, see a counselor, get some help, go on a vacation… Oh I get it, not only do I have to like the way you play, I must show play-style affirming care, or I some how have wronged you…
Any new player can not understand how the game use to be played because… They never played it!!! I know, real deep there right? Sorry that’s just a fact, it’s not an insult, it’s a fact.
I don’t think I ever seen someone throw a fit over such a small thing. I say I hated the Lava Burst change 3 years ago, it totally changed how the class played (which it did), and you full on lose your mind… Do you road rage a lot? You sure seem to have the personality of someone that would.
Again, seek professional help man, I can only imagine how badly you would of lost your mind had I actually had directed that post at you or how you like to play in anyway.
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Gonna keep it a buck: you having this melty is pretty cringe.
This is also widely a PvE focused thread so IDK what relevance PvP (the redheaded step child of this game) has in this thread mate.
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Ya, so? Like I said I liked the old school throwing meat balls. If you don’t then that’s fine. Everyone has a preferred way of playing. What gets me is how many people now days lose their mind if someone say " I like Lava Burst". You’d think someone said, “I like Trump at a Kamala Harris rally”, which even you stated basically when you said “Your dog isn’t going to die”.
Why are you having a melty about this fam?
Actually, they gutted eveything that made the one shot go an the silly fact is they caved in to the “Fear mongering” when a common sense player coudl easily stop it. The newer version of the one shot had a lot more casts to it than DF so it was wattered down.
Seems like they targeted the player who used it and now ele is a mess. I do agree storm keeper doesn;t really need much of a cast time if any. It isn’t like lightning is going to one shot anyone atm. We will see what they come up with as I don’t think they are done adjusting it.
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Wait… button bloat wasnt a problem? Shamans have always had button bloat, back to vanilla.
We had so much button bloat they literally incorporated a multi-totem dropping system to alleviate our 5 button setups and continuously having to reapply them every 30 yards.
Not saying youre wrong, but ive played ele since inception and it was always a ton of buttons, even in vanilla when ele was garbage.
I agree with everything he says
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Stormkeeper isn’t a threat unless you play Stormbringer because they changed mastery. When it was 85% damage the fact that Stormkeeper Lightning Bolts always procced mastery made them dangerous. On top of it if you played Surge of Power you could get another guaranteed Overload and another one with Power of the Maelstrom. Stormkeeper now tickles. Being forced into it and losing Icefury and Fusion of Elements is bad for our burst windows. The only issue I had with Icefury was that it made it Surge of Power roots not reliable. Anyway I started playing Aftershock because Earth Shock pumps so I can deal with this. With Stormkeeper… I truely don’t want this button as it feels completely useless unless you are fully specced into it.
For me the fact that you played Lava build in PvP and Storm in PvE was fair and made the spec balanced. You couldn’t stand and spam Lightning Bolts in most scenarios in PvP unless you played with something like Affliction that is even worse to deal with on freecast.
Right now nobody is happy with the rework. PvP players aren’t happy because they lose Skybreaker’s and frequent Fire Ele that extended Flame Shocks, they are forced into Stormkeeper and the fact that Ascendance change might completely change the stat priority. PvE players aren’t happy that they lost frequent Lightning Elemental windows, overall CDR and maelstrom generation. I don’t want Lava Burst machine gun before someone says it. I feel that the current PvP gameplay was fine and Ele had to hardcast way more what was fair.
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I’m worried it’s not going to be enough to make Stormbringer viable over Farseer. I know Farseer is intended for Elemental and Stormbringer is intended for Enhancement, but I really like the fantasy of a mastery and crit heavy Stormbringer that can just dumpster huge lightning and Tempest bursts on my foes.
My biggest concern is Deeply Rooted Elements. If an ele shaman wants mastery to be useful we have to lean heavily into Ascendance, and right now Deeply Rooted Elements has an abysmal uptime due to its incredibly low proc chance on our slow Maelstrom spenders.
I think they could easily just flat out double DRE’s proc chance, if not more.
Don’t know if you talk about PvP or PvE but the main issue with Stormbringer for me is the fact that when you get kicked on Nature you cannot Kick, Ground, Tremor what is your main strength in fact on Shaman.
Correct me also if I’m wrong. Stormbringer seems to be better in aoe encounters with more that few targets when Farseer is way better at single target and still very good at aoe. I didn’t touch any PvE this patch yet.
And yes I agree DRE will be dead. I expect it being removed soon after.
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Tempest should be cast WITH the next lb and not INSTEAD OF and also not consume sop
Problem fixed
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Aside from piling on to issues raised by others, I just feel like Farseer is going to get dumpstered with the changes.
On live, no mistakes it’s one-dimensional for sure. But there’s control and sub-minute regularity with the burst.
On the PTR, it just feels like you’re trying to plate-spin, but never quite getting into the flow of anything, it’s just a constant chase with nothing lining up. Nothing’s building up, it’s just boom deal with this now. DRE let’s go, Grandpa stopped by, Flame Shock running out, “Many things, deal with it”, Icefury has FrS in ransom. There’s a dramatic lack of rhythm or rhyme. It’s more priority and a lot less weaving combos. So much of it just gets ignored
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No it isn’t. It’s about elemental shaman design so both PvE and PvP. Please don’t kidnap my thread.
Based on what I’m hearing from the more experienced community, it indeed sounds like Stormbringer is going to pull ahead of Farseer in all content. I feel like Farseer needs to focus more on fire damage and make the fire talents in Ele’s tree really shine.
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Unfortunately with the direction they went for Elemental in this rework, I imagine there’ll never really be a balance for these hero talent trees. Before, you had the concept of a clear Lightning talent spec and a clear Lava Burst/Fire tree (Stormbringer vs Farseer). The spec reflected this dichotomy just… not very well. Based on some blue comments during the beta, the hope was the upcoming changes would eventually fine tune this distinction to let someone lean more into either a lightning caster or a meatball slinger (and accentuate it with the applicable hero talent selection).
In the coming rework, though, everyone is going to be a Lava Burst ele shaman. 8 of the capstones are fire, 4 are neutral and only the 2 lightning rod talents represent lightning in the capstone section. Unlike with enhancement where there’s conceptually the Lava Lash build that synergizes with Totemic vs a Storm build for Stormbringer (Though obviously in practice it’s just been a hybrid build running SB, it’s -conceptually- there and merely undertuned) Ele won’t have any resemblance of that. It’ll all be a fire focused ascendance/“weaver” build choosing whichever hero talent is stronger as opposed to one for fire and one for lightning.
In fairness, this is exactly what some people have wanted. I know there’s a lot of voices in the community that wanted their meatball build to take the focus, and it seems like Fire has been thoroughly entrenched as the core of Ele shaman with a dash of lightning on the side.
Current balancing seems to be favoring a new variant of lightning slinger that focuses on crit/mast and going Stormbringer and leaning into the buffs to Tempest i.e. Surge of Power to get two free Tempest overloads. We will have BIG burst windows every three minutes. There’s a lot of hope that Deeply Rooted Elements will be buffed so that we have more burst windows during manual Ascendance downtime.
Unless there are some major buffs to Lava Burst, it seems that both Farseer and fire slinging in general will be behind. There will be lava burst weaving but you won’t be spamming LB - you mainly want it for Master of the Elements and to get more free Tempest overloads prior to hitting Tempest. This is assuming of course Blizzard doesn’t buff LB’s damage to the moon.
Right now though the new Lightning Rod talent is extremely strong and if anything is making LB even more underwhelming.
So overall PvP nerfs. Awsome… Thanks Blizzard. Amazing 20th Anniversary…
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so no change really to lightning builder spam “degenerate” gameplay removing cdr is supposed to fix, just get half of our defensives/utilities?
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Agreed.
Can’t really argue with the other points as well. I find it odd they disassemble a spec then leave it laying around in a mess.