10.2 Fistweaving weak unusable

Ancient Teachings did get a 15% buff in 10.1.7.

Is it enough? Not sure, but it did get a buff very recently

I’m confused on how this makes you ‘not fistweaving anymore’, if you can justify not having Rising Mist or running Ancient Teachings sure you’ve stopped fistweaving, but casting vivify and using yu’lon is a bit of a weird stopping point.

because peoples use of the term is so subjective at this point you have to wait until they tell you exactly what their version is.

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It doesn’t feel like “fistweaving anymore,” at least in raid, because we are slowing losing the soul of the spec in the name of throughput.

It has become clear that, in order to best match the damage event profiles of current encounter design, the optimal healing profile is undeniably preservation evoker’s ability to poop out a 1.5 million healing (2.5 million raw) spiritbloom ramp every 30 seconds. Now keep in mind revival does 1.5 mil on a base 3min cooldown. This isn’t an inherent issue, more so to illustrate what the “ideal” healing profile is right now - the ability to compact your healing into meaty chunks on ~30 second intervals in order to have something for every single damage event. Resto druids can also have an isomorphic healing profile to this by properly rotating Convoke, Flourish, and Tranq. This is what made Preservation and RDruid the only two true “throughput” healers prior to 10.1.

Prior to 10.1, MW lacked the ability to match this healing profile while playing AT and Chi-Ji, the playstyle with which many of us enjoyed MW and would like to return to, at least in the sense of being very mobile while healing in melee. And then comes the 10.1 tier set which singlehandedly enabled a new, extremely stationary and unfun CF and Yu’lon playstyle. The 1min Yu’lon ramp, combined with the mana to freely spam Vivify in between Yu’lons, has handedly taken us one step closer to matching the something-every-30-seconds Preservation healing profile. To many mythic raiders, the fact that we now have an objectively better healing profile that also allows us to do way more throughput relative to what we could do in 10.0 is cause for celebration - we are now comfortably in the same league as Prevoker and RDruid as throughput healers. But it came at the cost of having to stand still and channel in melee, which not only feels anathema compared to how we played in 10.0, but also just feels absolutely miserable against mythic encounters.

The core issue is that with current tuning, we can’t go back; the mana from the 10.1 tier set simply puts us on par with RDruid and Prevoker, and there was always a question of what would happen when we lost our current mana from our tier set. Blizzard answered this by giving us the new mana tea, which gives us even more mana than our current tier set. And then again with this first round of PTR changes that buff Vivify but don’t touch AT/Chi-Ji throughput at all, and our 10.2 tier set bonus, it feels like they are implicitly saying “You are going to be channeling in melee in mythic raid from now on.” Eventually we are going to get to the point where we don’t even use ToTM and BoK anymore, we are simply in melee to use RSK every 8 seconds for Rising Mist. 1 melee ability every 8 seconds, does that sound like “fistweaving” to you?

These changes are solidifying the current horrible choice of “You can either be the only caster melee spec in the game in order to have a competitive healing profile, or you can give up throughput in order to play like how you did in 10.0.” And I don’t want to have to be forced to make that decision, because ultimately I’m just asking myself “Well if I’m going to be casting a lot, then why don’t I just play Prevoker and save myself the headache?”
In order to resolve this, we either need to 1. Be much more mobile while keeping the current CF healing profile in order to be competitive throughput healers, or 2. Significantly buff AT/Chi-Ji throughput so that it doesn’t feel like we are griefing our raid if we want to play how we did in 10.0.

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Besides the fact that this is impossible with Rising Mist, you quite literally need a 6 second or lower RSK to maximize it.

I primarily enjoyed Nyalotha’s version of fistweaving, when the core healing rotation below the haste breakpoint for EvM was Vivify centric.