10.1 Spriest makes no sense

[Arfbishop-moon-guard]

Told ya’ll from the start they were ruining spriest and it wasn’t going to get fixed. If it’s bad the first iteration, it will only be worse going forward. Blizz only knows how to make stuff broken or awful it seems.

[Hurtfeet-sargeras]

The casting with no mobility and ability to create space is what is killing me. I can root and fade to get space but root is on 60 seconds and having to chamber it and wait is annoying.
People will learn to play around the precog. Gonna be an interesting start to the season.

[Auttø-area-52]

@Auttø-area-52

@Auttø-area-52

Spell Redesign Vampiric Touch: A touch of darkness that causes [ 155.51% of Spell Power ] Shadow damage over 21 sec, and heals you for 30% of damage dealt. If Vampiric Touch is dispelled, the dispeller flees in Horror for 3 sec. The dispelled gain malediction magic debuff for 8 seconds absorbing healing taken. Caps out at 50,000 healing taken.

First off Shadow is seeing a HUGE amount of nerfs towards our insanity generation, And this is getting doubled down with how hard you guys are trying to make
Distorted Reality of any value. And while I personally don’t care for making our spec very DoT damage heavy its something I can live with. But dispels completely shut the spec down. We’re seeing this first had with how judgment of the Pure interacts with vs shadow priest. (Glad its finally not a teamwide dispel, but still makes killing the ret VERY difficult.)

So we, 1. Have much of our damage being moved into over time effects. And, 2. also getting a damage nerf because of the interaction of our mastery. While most Spriest in PvP are stacking haste, we do still gain value from the mastery we have which can be anywhere between 5% - 10%. Meaning we can do anywhere from -15% damage to -30% damage.

On top of this Vampiric Touch dispel adds to the game one mechanic that is universally hated which is the Micro CC’s. Along with this it is very unimpactful in everyway. If it gets dispelled, out DoT’s get removed and we lose a good majority of our damage anyway. And most healers worth their salt will do something prior to make sure the dispelled player will be safe during the 3 second horrify.

Shadow Priests dispel protection is old and outdated. Its an unfun mechanic needs to be reworked. It wouldn’t be that difficult to balance because similar to the UA dispel blizzard would always be able to adjust the number value of the preposed changed. Please please please either change the dispel debuff or Make Devouring Plague Un-dispellable which I also don’t like because I do think counter play should be a thing. But its so one-sided right now its non enjoyable. And for how much our damage is being tied into DP along with the unneeded insanity nerfs, a change is needed.

@Auttø-area-52

@Auttø-area-52

Instant cast Void Eruption / Dark Ascension.

I really don’t know why this just isn’t a thing. In so many arenas currently Void Origins (VO) is MANDATORY. Spriest is the primary target in most arenas right now due to the lack of mobility the class has, we are easy to stick to. The only comp I’ve seen where VO is not taken is Shadowplay, because letting a warlock free cast is the only thing threatening enough to cause us not the be the target.
Being forced to cast our BURST cooldown kills any fluid setup the spec has to do damage. On top of that if we are running Dark Ascension the spell itself doesn’t even do any damage to add to the burst. It only Amps our casted single target spells and SW:D. The spec already feels clunky to set up your burst just having to: Manage Dot’s (15% damage buff), DA / VE/ PI / Mindbended. All before casting ANY damaging spells. You actually can spend your entire duration of Psychic Horror Setting up your burst before you do any damage. OR you start your pre-burst rotation and they have 3 seconds to react to it and pop a defensive before you can horror.

@Auttø-area-52

Get rid of body in soul in the priest tree and bring back Door of Shadows. Not only is it fitting of the theme of the class but it solves some of the mobility issues that priest in general have been having. It had counter play in Shadowlands and will continue to have counter play in Dragonflight.

Argue me here 10.1 Shadow PvP Update - #2 by Auttø-area-52

[Holytalk-tichondrius (Holytalk)]

yeah the hard casted damage is garbage, DP is hitting a little hard but is very easily dispellable by ret monk etc. the new insanity cast after casting DP hurts tho. everything else. meaningless damage

[Cthera-stormrage]

Do you read?
Apparently not. I literally said affi doesn’t cast you clown.
The only casting it really does is wall/precog into soul rot drain. Maybe a rapture here or there.
Outside of that its just dot management.
Its why I went SP, but its becoming such an abysmal spec idk what I’ll play

[Kwäke-tichondrius]

there is not one single human being that plays this game that agrees with you. affliction needs to hardcast constantly to maintain ua, you also mention precog drain which they use multiple times a minute. not to mention fears which any decent lock should be doing when they can.

you’re objectively wrong, and that’s okay, but don’t sink your heels in about something you clearly dont play.

[Cthera-stormrage]

I played affi for 10 years before swapping to SP, actually.
I was meaning their basic rotation, not the complex entire spec.
And yes I know nobody agrees with me. I’m the person everyone always hates and thinks shold get shot and die in a fiery pit of hell, so I’m very used to being the only person who has an opinion that sucks.
Maybe if people weren’t rude and actually educated me bc I’ve barely played in DF bc this expansion is so flipping bad for me so far, I’d actually know stuff.
all I know about is destro/demo, SP, Warrior, SV hunter, and Enhance shaman.

[Failedwizard-frostmourne (Failedwizard)]

“Shadow Priest damage is a lot lower than we initially expected so we’re buffing their rotational abilities to compensate for the loss of instant casts in PvP” - Blizzard next patch.

[Auttø-area-52]

Problem is shadow damage is actually not bad. But it’s how they do the damage which is dreadful.

[Arfbishop-moon-guard]

Don’t worry, after you spend 30 seconds to get one set of dots up they’ll get dispelled because dispelling it isn’t a real punishment like dispelling unstable affliction.

[Urusai-sargeras]

Spriest needs a rework, just like they did for Rets.
Then people can complain about how broken Spriests are for 3 weeks until they get nerfed down from S++ tier to S tier. =)

[Auttø-area-52]

Putting damage aside

From what I hear most rets say the spec feels better to play.

Shadow doesn’t really feel better to play after the rework. They removed Mind Sear which was awesome for insanity dumping in AoE. And They removed our instants for being able to DPS while moving.
They also broke up a few talents making us take 2 talents for what is currently a 1 talent point value.
We’re the least mobile caster, and yet it’s looking like we will only be able to do significant damage through casting.

Shadow is 90% of the time the target that gets sat on, we’ve got no mobility otherwise to challenge the fact.

I wouldn’t say shadow feels better to play which should be the purpose of a rework.

[Hotcarl-boulderfist]

I was dpsing the pvp dummy with my spriest on the ptr. The damage was ok (not good, but ok), then I realized this was 100% standing in one spot, hard casting, with no interrupts or dot removal. The rework is going to completely dumpster shadow in pvp.

[Copperfur-wyrmrest-accord]

Blizz: “Ya’ll said you needed more healers”

[Iliketurtles-garithos]

I miss WOD shadow… no stupid insanity, you just ran around spamming insta cast stuff. Lined stuff up right you could half life somebody with DP. Power infusion wasn’t a thing so class was fairly balanced around it’s own skills, not what it could do for others… one of the few things I miss about WOD…

[Felrynpr-malganis]

this is our rework…

it’s just an unfinished mess again

[Xafira-frostwolf]

I don’t know how far 10.1 is away, but Ret was a mess as well like a month before release.

[anon71337860]

@Iliketurtles-garithos

one of the few things I miss about WOD

mfers got you reminiscing about wod

[Somnix-emerald-dream]

@Xafira-frostwolf

I don’t know how far 10.1 is away, but Ret was a mess as well like a month before release.

It goes live on May 2nd. This will play out like ret, except instead of being an omnipotent god, SP will be an impotent doormat. It will take weeks–if not months–to fix, when Bliz could have just listened to feedback and/or properly tested the spec in pvp to avert yet another gaffe. That would require them to actually care what the community thinks though. As it stands, these forums are mostly a trash recepticle for our thoughts.

[Wigglypiggli-benediction]

Blizzard has stopped designing classes for how smoothly they play in PvP. RWF and MDI now take precedence and if it plays well in PvP, so be it.