Across the board class/spec overhauls and updating. This should be priority #1.
Many specs on WoW are outdated and old. 21 talents and 9 honor talents and mages arent alone in the majority of them being useless or outright troll picks.
This shouldn’t be a thing ever. Literally give every class/spec the outlaw/sv treatment, ground up rework and makeover. Should be the highlight of expansion, solid classes, solid specs, solid honor talents and solid talent trees.
Every talent and honor talent should be “hmm, I REALLY want this” not like well lol 2 out of these 3 are DOA or trolling so no brainer. What kind of design is that anyway?
TLDR
10.0 please please
Rework and give a makeover for all class + spec
Talent Tree + honor talent rework/overhaul/update.
Solid numbers and design goal for each
Less borrowed power.
NO DEAD TALENTS/HONOR TALENTS.
Yea I’ve never understood why this has been a thing for 3 expansions in a row. You have tons of players giving feedback on why there are dead on arrival talents and what would be needed to fix them or replace them… but they don’t do anything about it. Super frustrating
IDK, if they dropped the pirate garbage (by that I mean firearms) and made Outlaw a tank spec, I’d be all over that. The rogue tank from Rift (Rfitstalker?) was absolutely amazing.
this is probably a troll but i’m gonna bite anyways
nobody in the world is happy that they spent 9 months developing that stupid chromie scenario that everyone did in 5 minutes just to return to playing badly designed specs for another 18 months
A lot of the time the one I look at and think “hmm, I REALLY want this” turns out to be the one that sims below the boring passive/proc and is immediately proclaimed garbage. I’m a filthy casual so I take it anyway, but the “BIS or GTFO” mentality causes a lot of people a lot of stress.
Even though the game isn’t tuned tightly enough that most players will ever ACTUALLY be held back by a non-optimal build (as opposed to standing in fire or whatever), it will still make players feel bad to be told that the cool ability they love is inferior.
And frankly I don’t know what Blizzard can even do about it anyway. Tuning only helps so much, someone is still going to write a sim and proclaim its output to be the word of God.
P.S. Some people also don’t like their spec being redesigned too much and every redesign has haters, perhaps you aren’t aware that there are STILL hate threads about survival and demonology being changed IN LEGION?
badly designed specs ? this is something i don’t hear in SL , it’s more about casuals content / gearing , the average casual player don’t care if his spec don’t have insane aoe and can’t compet with a fire mage on 20 mobs/pull in a +25 key
class design should come after content imo , changing spells/rotations from a spec won’t bring you casuals players in the game , they don’t care
wow should try to do the things it does well better (instanced content/ collectable content/ world building/ fluid unique class gameplay)
wow has never done casual content well ever and blizz stretches itself way too thin trying to develop “fun” casual content again like the chromie scenario that nobody ends up liking
Pal I mained it because it was a broken spec . Sub was unplayable, sin was good but nothing near outlaw. Just because it was op in keys didn’t make it a good spec. It’s flawed, and that’s why it had changes in shadowlands, and it’s back to being mediocre.
I was hoping for BFA and then SL they would sit down and decide what to do with the mess of talents and honor talents each class has.
Lack of kit synergys or severely undertuned/underperforming talents. SITTING DEAD
for YEARS, not days, weeks, YEARS!!! Like uh hello? did you forget these exist? do you not play your own game? Have we just accepted that we failed 2 out of 3 talents on numerous specs/classes on each row and MEH the players accept it and go with whats meta, just leave it.
Yikes man its absolutely frustrating and what amounts to just laziness and neglect on blizzards part.
Basically this, so many things just scrape by on borrowed power to compensate for how badly a spec is designed. Or grossly overtuned skills/legendaries to do it.
Fire mage has been this way since BFA scraping by with horrible talents/honor talents and severely undertuned skills. The entire spec has scraped by with Gpyro spam, master blaster in BFA, Shimmer, Dbreath/Ring and obviously combust.
All of its talents/honor talents and overkill kit are actually straight garbage. Spamming a 2.3 base cast fireball for really awful damage to reduce your combust or activate a purgeable instant pyro overall doesn’t feel great or even slightly enjoyable outside of cooldowns It doesn’t feel great to be on other end of combust either lol.
I think fire is a great example of a spec long due for a makeover and top to bottom rework, like many others.
I would say thats subjective. My only real dislike of SV personally was being tied to the pet still and not made lone wolf functional. I think both MM/SV suffer from that though, core abilities like masters call, roar of sac tied to pet. In the end thats a blizzard choice they stuck with, hunter was designed as a pet class and not a ranger/archer type.
They were designed as both, as stated in the game manual itself.
The reason we’re kind of in the predicament with the classes currently is because they are always trying to reinvent the wheel so to speak. Survival was a fun spec right before they decided to blow it up for no reason. It’s not like there was some massive outcry from the hunter community to change it.
Generally speaking, people are tired of having to relearn to play their classes every expansion after massive overhauls or reworks which is why blizzard has moved away from that kind of sweeping changes and has taken a more gradual approach.
Some hunters did feel like the class was overly tied to the pet and wanted a more ranger/sniper type playstyle not having to deal with a pet which was first introduced as the lone wolf talent and later became part of the MM kit.
So BM is your pet spec, MM is your ranger/archer, and current SV is the meme spec from vanilla
I agree that classes need work, but I think history has proven blizzard is bad when the make big changes all at once, like a complete overhaul of a class spec.