Just to play devils advocate here,
But I certainly remember people in pre 1.12 av complaining whenever someone capped a graveyard from the enemy team that would result in them spawning closer to their base and ie. Causing a turtle.
You would get blasted by your team for capping such graveyards.
Now to play Jesus’ advocate,
A zerged Av race to enemy base to kill boss leader is… the most boring idea you could possibly think up for PvP.
Whenever they introduced rep rewards was when zerging happened at the very least. If anyone capped snowfall as horde they’d get yelled at.
I fear and will say once again, that it is someone who only values raids who is making these decisions.
That was because there were specific strategies in play. Ones that involved more than “RIDE PAST THEM, DON’T STOP”
Question: If the days long epic PvP was what everybody loved, why did they just ride past everybody without stopping? After all, the option to engage was still available. People just stopped taking it when there was an easier way to win. Maybe winning was more important to most people than how long it took to do it.
Why do so many people enjoy retail?
(Because players of that mindset are going to do what they do, Boo.)
1.12 was visited more often, by far. It was the preferred version.
Glad the developers know this and aren’t catering to the whining minority on these forums.
You do realize that nobody is nibbling your weak bait, right?
It’s getting kind of pathetic and embarrassing.
Just came back from doing an AV and I saw something interesting:
The Commanders are back in AV after 12 years absence, dang. Anyhow, carry on.
I don’t buy it for a minute. The technology to do things like that has been lost for 15 years.
Well, the Commanders weren’t removed until BC. They weren’t overwriting their data at that point anymore.
You do realize that nobody is nibbling your weak bait, right?
It’s getting kind of pathetic and embarrassing.
As you nibbled… Epic, but for all the wrong reasons. I mean, your name is a reference to passing gas. And that’s all anyone needs to know concerning the quality of your opinion.
Keep on with your crying, little fella! The boards wouldn’t be the same without the whining 
Now my memory may be off a bit, but one of the reasons i wanted the earlier versions of AV, was that close to around the 1.12 time (again if my memory isn’t failing me) is when all bg’s became a 10 minute affair. it seems to me this is when, at the first sign of adversity people would just start yelling to give up.
I want to see the old faction pride back,…hell i guess i just want my old friends and guild back too.
This is what I remember. I feel like I’m in the twilight zone or something with so many people being so vocal about wanting original AV. Nobody enjoyed it at the time. It was a never ending aoe fest over a graveyard with people randomly turning in quests to get elites that would maybe push the pile for 2 or 3 minutes until you ran into some named npc that halted all progress, then the other faction would get their turn in and it’d get pushed back to the middle.
Not that 1.12 AV was super great or anything, I just remember teams running past eachother in favor of this weird boss kill race. Still though at least it ended somewhat quickly then and it was playable. I think honestly AV is just a poorly designed BG and Blizzard has been polishing that turd for 15 years hoping it will shine one day
That’s not an answer… Boo.
By your logic you can say:
The general consensus in 2004-2006 was that WoW was trash and so Blizzard had to change a lot of things about it.
Horrible logic. Classic WoW = time capsule of Vanilla WoW. It doesn’t matter if things were “Agreed upon being bad”, because if you’re giving opinions on what’s “good” or “bad” about vanilla and cherry-picking based on opinion you’re going to end up a version of wow that VERY closely resembles retail, defeating the entire point of Classic WoW.
If you don’t understand the point of what classic WoW is trying to accomplish and what it is, you honestly should not be posting on these forums.
I’m sick of having to explain what Classic WoW is meant to actually be every 2 seconds tbh.
Imagine someone busting through your restaurant doors and telling you exactly how you should be making the old Apple pie recipe that was around 14 years ago. Telling you that you should have NO opinion on how it should be made because you’re making it for them and they don’t want you to have any input on your own product.
Imagine that, they’re just breathing down your neck telling you exactly how they want it and screaming at you if they think you’re doing it wrong. I’m glad Blizzard doesn’t listen to people like that, it sets a bad precedent.
According to you, Blizzard shouldn’t be posting on these forums because they’re the ones that decided on 1.12 AV. You should definitely explain what you think Classic WoW is meant to be because I just finished BBQing for hours and I need a good laugh, BBQing is hard work.
Maybe you should try differentiating between what Classic is meant to be versus what you think Classic is meant to be. You’ve decided that the only version of the time capsule that’s valid is the one you want when the reality is that any version that falls in the 1.x.x is valid. It’s like burying an actual time capsule. Maybe you bury it your first day of your freshman year and maybe you bury on the last day of your senior year. Either way, you still buried it while you were in school. For whatever reason, this is a concept that seems to be eluding most of those outraged over the decision to go with 1.12 instead of 1.5.
But, like I’ve said to the others: Lobby for your changes and I hope you get them. If you don’t, go back to private servers and you won’t be missed.
that’s so cool. Is this real? Is this in retail now??
There’s a difference between making a good argument and a bad argument for what you believe in. A bad argument will only empower those who argue against you and enable them to feel more assured in their opposing beliefs.
Thanks to someone else making some decent arguments I have actually begun leaning towards 1.5AV.
1.5 AV is an experience that was unique to vanilla warcraft and one that we can no longer attain thoroughly without relying on the use of PSs that likely use incorrect codes and have a form of AV that does not hold true to the original 1.5 AV.
One of the largest concepts that made Vanilla Warcraft something great was that it took time, effort and evolved various forms of difficulty that arise from simple coding. Going with the more streamlined 1.12 version of AV is going against that. Comparing the differences between 1.5 and 1.12 is akin in various ways to comparing Classic to Current. 1.5 being slower and giving a more difficult feeling while 1.12 rewarding the concept of zerg rushing and getting everything done quickly.
Many have argued that we can just force turtles in AV. Do you argue that we should allow flight as well? Because that is the very same argument that pro-flight players make. “You can just not fly” Given the ability to use something the players will be forced by their own mental state to use what they are given rather than break away and try to replicate what would effectively make the game better. Current wow would be much more fun if it were more difficult and slower to get through everything, but next to no one ever does the things that would help produce such results simply because “why not take advantage of the tools you have?”.
Besides. How often have we heard arguments from people who experienced 1.5 AV that it was a terrible form? Sure you could argue that at the time people may have complained while playing the game. Just like someone is going to complain about having to make 100 gold by level 40, that complaint is a current thought that will go by and be forgotten later. Real issues are not forgotten. They stand and they will be used to remind others. So has anyone come out with real issues about 1.5 AV?
So what are the real problems with doing 1.5 AV?
It will take longer to make, yes that is true. I was one of the few in a recent thread that noticed that they stated in the recent blizzcon that coding was lost between patches due to the way they worked during Vanilla. This sadly means that 1.5 AV data could be all but gone now. That is a “could” not a guarantee. So we should be asking Blizzard if they have the data to sculpt 1.5 AV or not. And if not then if they have enough vanilla evidence to thoroughly replicate 1.5 AV.
Blizzard will try to do this as cheaply and easily as possible, likely. Using 1.12 AV is much easier for Blizzard to create. That is true. But lowering our expectations and just accepting what Blizzard says to make it easier on them is EXACTLY what the anti-vanilla/classic forumers did. What did those of us who argued for vanilla servers for so long do? We argued for something that would take time, work and effort to be done. To simply give in now, when we have these final chances is laughable. We have classic coming now, this is a chance to let Blizzard know exactly what we want.
I feel if the community is more supportive of a 1.5 AV then they will give in like they did with Classic. Arguing that just because they will likely take the easy route is silly. We should be arguing for what we WANT, not just what we will ACCEPT. Simple as that. Let’s make this game the best version of vanilla as possible. We want Classic Vanilla experience. I feel that 1.5 AV better represents that than 1.12. 1.12 might have had more players experiencing it, but at that point AV was already being streamlined to be an easier and faster BG. That is not what we want with Vanilla.