🤯 Raider IO ruined PVE

[Aewendil-caelestrasz (Aewendil)]

Remember when you couldn’t get Heroic raid loot from afk-able activities so item level and gear actually meant something and could be attributed to skill and/or experience?

When was this ever the case? You’ve been able to get raid level loot from AFKing PvP since the game’s inception. Ilvl never meant anything. Before .io we just checked logs.

[Voxplaga-ravencrest (Voxplaga)]

The problem is item level means nothing in a World (of Warcraft) where titanforging exists. How do I know your 410 ilvl didn’t come from LFR and world quests at a glance?

To be fair, getting 410 without raiding or m+ would be very hard. I don’t think titanforging is particularly the issue. The issue is emmisaries giving normal raid level loot, and warfronts and weekly quests giving heroic raid level loot. Not that I’m complaining too much, I enjoy the loot. Just saying titanforging isn’t all that much to blame in this case.

[Cicera-zuljin]

Elitists (lol) are not the ones keeping the lights on here, and blizzard all but knows this.

Yes, they do. Which is why despite the crying on the forums, LFR and LFD still exist. Normal raids, warfronts, island expeditions, all still exist. Because you’re right, casuals pay the bills.

Why you harping on one of two pieces of hard content in the game? Not everything has to be about you, mr casual.

[Aewendil-caelestrasz (Aewendil)]

The problem is item level means nothing in a World (of Warcraft) where titanforging exists. How do I know your 410 ilvl didn’t come from LFR and world quests at a glance?

You can inspect them and literally look. Takes 5 seconds.

[Bearfu-dalaran (Bearfu)]

Elitists (lol) are not the ones keeping the lights on here, and blizzard all but knows this.

Except Blizzard’s response to the “ban RaiderIO” crowd was introducing M+ tracking on the armory. Your M+ progression is effectively public record now because you cannot hide your armory. You can hide RaiderIO. You can hide Warcraft Logs. You can even hide your forum profile. The one thing you can’t hide, though, is your armory. All your idea would do is make groups take a little longer to fill because people would just check the armory for the same information they checked RaiderIO for.

[Horemheb-stormrage]

The armory dosent keep track of failed runs runs etc etc

[Cicera-zuljin]

Except Blizzard’s response to the “ban RaiderIO” crowd was introducing M+ tracking on the armory. Your M+ progression is effectively public record now because you cannot hide your armory. You can hide RaiderIO. You can hide Warcraft Logs. You can even hide your forum profile. The one thing you can’t hide, though, is your armory. All your idea would do is make groups take a little longer to fill because people would just check the armory for the same information they checked RaiderIO for.

I think you can make your armory private now. In any case, that’s not even a solution. Blocking your IO and armory just makes you automatically declined from the same groups you want into. The only thing it does is weed you out faster.

[Aewendil-caelestrasz (Aewendil)]

The problem is item level means nothing in a World (of Warcraft) where titanforging exists. How do I know your 410 ilvl didn’t come from LFR and world quests at a glance? The same can be said for achievements. Just linking it doesn’t tell me anything. You could have died early on and not gotten a brez. You could have bought your AOTC/early mythic kill/keystone conqueror. None of those say “I’m a competent player who will be an asset to your group” by themselves. I’ve seen even a few CE players suck at dungeons. M+ and raid are two different formats, and your progression in one does not automatically translate to progression in the other.

Blizzard’s obsession with RNG on item levels is what made RaiderIO mandatory.

You literally posted why raid achievements don’t mean anything in one paragraph, then in the next you long for the glory days where people just got carried through raids for gear. Ilvl has never been a good indication of skill. Plenty of awful players get carried through raids and this has been happening since the game was released.

[Aewendil-caelestrasz (Aewendil)]

Doesn’t change the fact that people can easily get 390+ item level without ever going in a raid or M+ dungeon.

Who cares though? 390 item lvel isn’t high enough to get invited to any difficult content anyway.

[Voxplaga-ravencrest (Voxplaga)]

Failed runs don’t particularly matter, just successful ones.

[Aewendil-caelestrasz (Aewendil)]

To be fair, getting 410 without raiding or m+ would be very hard. I don’t think titanforging is particularly the issue. The issue is emmisaries giving normal raid level loot, and warfronts and weekly quests giving heroic raid level loot.

No, the “issue” is really M+ giving heroic level raid loot with no lockout. But this can’t be described as “welfare loot” which is really inconvenient for the elitists.

I put “issue” in scare quotes because it really isn’t an issue at all.

[Horemheb-stormrage]

I miss the days I advertised a group in trade chat This needs to return, we created relationships back then getting to the instance all together made it mean something way more than today.

I have good memories of helping out a noob do a specific dungeon that was the considered high end. The dudes happiness made for good memories

And you then wonder why wow is dying

[Aewendil-caelestrasz (Aewendil)]

I miss the days I advertised a group in trade chat This needs to return, we created relationships back then getting to the instance all together made it mean something way more than today.

There’s no reason you can’t still do that. People still do.

[Voxplaga-ravencrest (Voxplaga)]

The poster I was responding to was saying titanforging was an issue as people who didn’t raid or do m+ could get 410 ilvl. I don’t see your point to that context.

[Horemheb-stormrage]

Nah it’s not the same now, with the dungeon summoning stones and stuff like that, it’l just be weird, like people still playing in pandaria with their lvl frozen . Real changes need to be enacted by blizz

[Kirela-arygos (Kirela)]

They should come up with a plug-in called raider IO blocker, and this plugin keeps your history private.

Pretty sure you can hide your io now. You make an account and there’s an option. I dunno how it affects the add on in game.

[Turnberry-illidan (Turnberry)]

People like OP seem to care. Lots of people get free loot until they hit the wall, then they have no experience in dungeons/raids but try to get in them because it’s the only place they can get an upgrade. Then they complain here about raiderio when they don’t get in groups.

[Mahoodle-wyrmrest-accord (Mahoodle)]

You can still advertise you want to do a run a mythic keystone run in Trade Chat. People still do that. Ask around, say that you want to do some mythic keystone runs, level up your key. Sure it’ll take a while to level up your keystone to a +10/11 to get max rewards but you’ll eventually get there. And Keystone runs usually don’t take more than an hour.

[Cicera-zuljin]

And you then wonder why wow is dying

Wow is not dying, it’s declining, but not dying. It’s a super old game that’s lost its way a few times. The RPG elements currently in the game are weak and uninspired. The way dungeons function now is hardly top-shelf reason for the decline.

Heck, I’d say their silly stance on no-flying hurts the population more than that.

[Horemheb-stormrage]

It’s lost it’s way because before even with random people we could get a pretty cool experience, I remember explaining the lava run in BRD to a group of total strangers, remember their surprise at finding this shortcut. That’s all been replaced by soulless content and raider io is just a symptom.

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