Why would you say that Forsaken shouldn’t be playable? They’re sapient undead with wills of their own. Some are good, some are evil, all of them are complicated in nature. That sounds like a really tough thing to back up.
Tougher than undead paladins, which do canonically exist!
Paladins are tough to just add to some races because of what a paladin is. You would need a lot of work to add undead paladins to the game.
The way I would go about it is raising up skeletal scarlet crusaders. Can’t feel any pain if you are nothing but bones. Bonus points if we get to hear Whitemane say her famous “Arise, my champion” line.
Exactly. Though it might be a challenge to fathom, it is possible, and we see them in high numbers with the undead Scarlets.
All we would need is for Blizz to expand on their lore, which already entertains this possibility.
As for things being supposedly rare, low in population, or otherwise highly specialized, there are many classes and races presented that are introduced to us as rare, nearly extinct, or almost impossible to survive.
The question then becomes, do we want to be more inclusive, or do we want to tell people not to have fun and not want what they do?
Granted, I would greatly prefer that a reason is made. Having them (both shadow and light) be a small number of surviving acolytes surviving a ritual would be preferred. They’re not very numerous, and are considered an exception to the rule in a sense, like the Demon Hunters were in their rituals.
I’ve wanted this combination specifically for years.
A paladin of Lorderon keeping his faith even after being raised into undeath, still serving his kingdom under it’s new name and banner.
it would just be so fcking awesome
Having faith, hope, and goodness are not exclusive to the living. Taking an oath to service is not racial. Nobody loses anything when another is given something. Forsaken don’t stop being unique. So many cultures blended together in the world need no longer be segregated or race-gated. Let people have fun and play what they want to play.
there are paladins in the twilight’s hammer (wowpedia. fandom. com/wiki/Twilight_Vindicator) , if they could make blood elves “steal” holy magic from a naaru to become paladin they surely can make some lore for undead and void elves paladins too
No, he’s not. He has never used any Paladin abilities, has never been referred to in game as a Paladin, nor does he have a mana bar (though Talia Fordragon shows that isn’t really a requirement). Being a member of the Argent Crusade doesn’t make someone a Paladin, as they have many other classes helping them.
On the other hand, Shadowlands has made me hardly care about the lore at all anymore. Who even cares now? Might as well give Forsaken Paladins. There’s no flavor left in the game anyway.
Unfortunately, you seem to know and care more about the story than many of Blizzards own writers.
Just an FYI, he constantly gets mislabeled as a Paladin but he’s actually a Warrior and during the battle for Light’s Hope, he runs around using Cleave.
I’m gonna be a Debby downer, even though I don’t think undead should be paladins, and tell you that undead can withstand the light.
From what we currently know an undead can be healed by the light. It’s extremely painful for them but it does work. As an added side effect if they continually get healed by the light they will also start getting back their sensations. They can taste the rot in their mouth, feel maggots in their skin. Ya know, the fun stuff.
An undead could be a paladin but their willpower would have to extraordinarily strong to deal with not only the pain but their old sensations coming back.
Not all is lost however. There is good news! If they’re around the light long enough their positive emotions start to come back. Not much of a trade off for a life of misery though.
First off, Paladins are not just priests who decided to buy the expensive armor. Paladins are directly infused with Holy energies - they’re basically quasi-elementals. An undead priest can withstand casting holy spells, but a Forsaken Paladin would be living as one. They would be in crippling, dysfunctional pain on a persistent basis.
Undead who cannot function as undead get to function as food for the undead.
Also note, all existing “Undead Paladins” are paladins who became undead, not undead who became paladins. There is no pathway for the undead to become paladins, be trained as paladins, and develop a paladin culture or class on their terms or grounds. There is no such thing, and no current way for there to be a “Level 1 Forsaken Paladin.” To keep hold of the Light in the throws of undeath requires crazy faith and crazy special circumstances, and you can’t build a standard everyman player class for the undead out of that.
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Unless things radically change, this is a complete non-starter. Other classes may be culturally taboo, even to extreme, capital enforcement extents, but the Forsaken are physically incapable of being Paladins on a pure elemental level. This is a prohibition not enforced by culture or society, but by the very laws of magic and the universe. That’s the barrier that has to be overcome, and right now there’s just no way.
I like the idea, but using existing NPCs as an example of why something should be added to the game isn’t the best approach. I like having these human shamans or night elf paladins as unique exceptions rather than a gateway for new race/class combinations.
I still have that conservative view on restrictions as more race/class combinations will only erase WoW’s identity even more.