Warcraft 3 is an 18 year old game. The game was hardly fleshed out back then. Besides WoW we’ve had novels like ROTLK and other media advancing the continuity.
Tough call if you don’t like those changes to the narrative. They happened. A reskinned Warcraft 3 of a game from 2002 with half the features cut in half isn’t what most of us paid for. Even so, a Reforged campaign while retaining a Classic campaign with original voices wouldn’t have affected you at all.
Nope. Wotlk was the last wow expansion.
And I think you need to get over yourself and go back to play your beloved MMO if you think its storytelling is so much better.
Most of us Warcraft fans on these forums loved the story, writing, dialogue and voice acting as it was back in 2002-2003 and we STILL do. The storyline WAS in fact VERY fleshed out in RoC and TFT and EVERYTHING that later happened in WoW was based on the events and the characters that Reign of Chaos and The Frozen Throne created. I think you are utterly disrespecting the great writing that Blizzard did back then by saying that the “story wasnt fleshed out”. That would be true with Warcraft: Orcs and Humans and Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness, but Warcraft III VERY much paved the way for WoW with the lore, story, locations and characters.
Likewise we feel utterly disgusted when we look at the writing and story in World of Warcraft now, to the point where we wish nothing more than Warcraft IV (should it happen one day ) SCRAP anything and everything that WoW has done over past 15 years.
Im really glad that Blizzard/Reforged team decided to have atleast that bit of respect for old Warcraft III/RTS fans as to hear our opinion and act accordingly. Ofc it might be just an excuse to make cheaper remaster, but I wont be complaining about anything else than that the cutscenes wont be remastered, but I can live with that.
Warcraft as RTS franchise and WoW as MMO have two very different audiences in the first place and Blizzard should respect the opinions of majority of the people who comment on these forums and elsewhere. And the clear message that most Warcraft III fans sent was that we DONT want the old voice cast to replaced, nor were most of us very excited about trying to retcon the story to fit WoW’s current narrative.
WoW is the canon through which the Warcraft story is ebbing and flowing. It’s frankly irrelevant whether you agree or not. The game and its story had to evolve from 2002.
The notion of paying 30 to 50 Euros for a reskin of a game that old wouldn’t have been attractive if they didn’t sell it the way they did.
Lol, you’re vastly overestimating your side of the coin. Warcraft 3 has always had a dedicated fanbase, but it’s incredibly small and based on nostalgia. There are ten if not more WoW players to every Warcraft 3 Hive player. You know that, right?
It is really relevant as you can see devs agree as well.
Btw you can refund your purchase if you got an issue with the product since game isn’t out yet.
I probably will if the campaign indeed doesn’t turn out to be like it was advertised. The way it looks now is like they’re announcing a new WoW expansion with a major feature, only that feature is severely cut when it’s launched. That wouldn’t stand in any stretch of the imagination.
haha No. this game was supposed to be a remaster of the old game and they always mentioned everything is subjected to change. beside I’m still waiting for those new dances they promised me in wotlk wow.
No, it was advertised as a rebuilt game retaining the game engine only. A reimagining of Warcraft 3 is a better way to describe it.
I didn’t pay for a remaster. I paid for what was advertised to me, and had most people known they were going to cut most features in half they wouldn’t have met as many pre-orders as they did.
This isn’t 2002 anymore; period.
And tell me HOW many of those WoW fans have EVER played or even CARED about Warcraft III or the previous RTS games? Heck i dare even claim most people who ever played WoW ever truly cared about Warcraft’s storyline/lore in first place and I even see TODAY many WoW players who have no freaking clue that Warcraft existed as RTS franchise 10 years before WoW came in (and started to ruin everything)
Let me remind you that even though Warcraft III’s playerbase was much smaller than WoW’s it still sold some 4-5 million copies back then and became Blizzard’s most succesfull game of all time at that point.
Honestly your disregard of Warcraft III community and its passion for Warcraft as RTS franchise is disgusting. Most WoW fans out there couldnt give crap about this WC3: Reforged, or about playing/experiencing Warcraft in RTS format. And Im really, REALLY glad that Blizzard decided to listen to majority of Warcraft III fans out here and leave the voice acting as it was in the original game and forget about any lore retcons.
Its honestly time for you to wake up and realize that most Warcraft RTS fans dont care about WoW and vice versa. So why should Blizzard try to please WoW players most of who are never even going to play Reforged?
And same goes for you, if you think the storytelling in WoW is so much more “fleshed out and superior”, perhaps you should just stick to that rather than to come and tell us WC3 fans here who think quite differently about WoW and what it has done to the story&lore.
Ive said it before and I say it again. Since WoW and Warcraft as RTS franchise have two quite different audiences both whom rarely agree on anything when it comes to the storyline and lore (most of us WC RTS fans want WoW’s storyline to scrapped, while you think its so much more flesshed out and better than it was in 2002), Blizzard should treat these two seperately and accordingly to what the fans want.
You are entirely free to continue enjoying WoW and its storytelling, but we Warcraft RTS fans want NONE of that crap in Warcraft III and much less in Warcraft IV should we ever get it. Just go and read the comments here, most people would want the story of WC IV to be entirely different/alternative timeline that utterly scraps everything that happened in World of Warcraft.
Anyhow we Warcraft RTS fans might be in minority compared to WoW fans, but we are all the more passionate about what we want/dont want. And most of us even agree that we would rather not have WC IV at all than WC IV that would be created to please few of you WoW fans who would want to also experience Warcraft in RTS form.
I feel like I bot agreeing with all these posts but none the less I agree…
No you just wanted it to be that way. regardless this is final. you can wish for a warcraft 4 with crappy wow lore this warcraft 3 remastered gonna be exactly like original one.
Also a list of major features they announced in wow expansions that got scratched :
wow classic : player housing , emerald nightmare
wow Burning crusade : hyjal as a zone
wow wotlk : flying pvp New dances !
wow Wod : everything.
I played the Warcraft RTS games as a kid and pretty much grew up with them. Just because there’s always the notion of new players coming in doesn’t mean they should be disregarded. Also, you thinking WoW lore began to ruin everything is your opinion. Purism is the death of innovation. Not all WoW lore changes are good, but you also can’t permanently live in 2002.
Listen dude, this game was – ADVERTISED – as something entirely different than just a remaster. All those Singleplayer revisements is what I purchased the game for because I already played through the WC 3 campaign a bunch of times. I wanted the lines to connect to the dots in WoW. I wanted to see insults exchanged between Arthas and Anasterian. Now Anasterian is just going to be a buffed up unit with generic voice lines (and no dialogue spoken between them) because of a few butthurt purists. ROTLK is a good novel.
There is just no argument to be made against a revisited campaign. There is always the original game for you to play. It’s called WC 3 REFORGED. It wasn’t slated to be a remaster, and now it is either due to time constraints or this toxic purism.
Dude, stop spreading this misinformation. That is what we were told the game is going to be. It has nothing to do with my longings for the game. We get a year of radio silence and we’re suddenly told half the features end up on the chopping block. “40+ hours of reforged cutscenes” is still on the official website ffs.
It’s pointless Mate. Talking to that guy is like talking to a wall, he is stuck in 2003 and unable to deal with change. Fact of the matter is we were promised a reforged game and now we seem to be getting a reskin. Whether that’s because they’ve ran out of time or because of these kids here, who knows.
The info that they advertised this game with all the new stuff is out there yet they act like Blizzard always said it would be nothing but a reskin so that tells you enough about them. They are denying facts so it fits their narrative
This is what’s baffling to me, honestly. I can look at the official Blizzcon 2018 presentation and they advertised nearly everything right on that stage. Now I’m having these purists tell me that’s only what I wanted and it was never going to be anything more than a remaster.
It’s intellectually dishonest and they should cut that sh!t out.
It seems you didn’t see “subjected to change” part though. as i said before since game isn’t even out yet you can refund it if you got an issue with the game. /thread .
This is not for the Purists.
Blizzard ran out of money or time and blames the Purists. So that instead of relcamos them for fraud is between us.
“Subject to change” is a good argument if it didn’t entail literally the selling points of the game. Imagine stripping away the core of what a game is supposed to be and then rationalizing it as “well not every feature is going to make it through development.”
This uproar wouldn’t have existed if it was advertised as just a remaster. We were promised a lot more and I want what’s due and what I paid for.
Exactly! Just like with any other project, plans can change before the game is out and if you are not happy with that, you can always cancel/get refund.
Atleast I’ll be glad to know that when I play the game, it will be with other “purists” like myself who saw Warcraft III as pretty much perfect game already and who are just glad to have it visually remastered.
The question is. If I reimburse me, do they give me the money? or give me credits for Blizzard?
whoa there. there are 2 reasons it is the way it is now. time and feedback. alot of people didn’t want the crappy wow lore in wc3 and made threads about it a year ago.
And thank god devs listened. Also selling point for majority of RTS gamers is Multiplayer not campaigns. campaign is what none RTS players really care about.