Casual RTS player, I’ve played wc3 back in the days, played C&C, Red Alert, AoE, etc. When sc2 came out, I actually learn how to play it in the process, no guides or videos needed, no “xxxx build order”, “timed protoss push” “terran 1/1/1 all in” nothing like that, you just played the game and improved… until (ofc) you made it to higher rank/medals and only THEN you needed to watch some guides to improve . This game on the other hand… I know its old, not a new game, like I said I played this back in the day, but havent played in years, since I bought this game I tried playing Versus (competitive) 1v1 and I got my ss literally kicked in horrendous ways my record is probably 1 win - 10 loses, like my hero can be level 3, and the enemy has 2 heroes in lvl 3-4 full tier 2+ units, etc. Is mmr a thing in this game? does this game has brackets? Its so frustating, not being able to enjoy the game or learn (re-learn) while playing it, it feels like the game is forcing you to watch a damn video or guide so you can finally do something in competitive and Im not watching a fcking video, im not trying to win an online cup or trying to join a league, Im just trying to have fun and enjoy the game.
TLDR: I want to play against noobs or casuals or people that havent played this game in a long time like myself. Not against tryharders, grubby’s 5 year old subs.
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Hi,
I modded this game for 15 years and wrote Retera Model Studio for editing War3 model files but I feel the same way.
One of the people who killed me said I was good for a beginner. That was nice of him. It touched a special place in my heart.
I almost beat some people with a new strategy I dreamed up to try what had never been tried before. Only make mass acolytes and mass necropolis, and Dreadlord to give acolytes life steal. These guys have never seen it before, because it doesnt work. So it throws them off.
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What race are you playing?
The playerbase is too tiny to have a lot of bronze players like in SC2.
It’s a bit like going on BroodWar ladder : you get decent players (with a bit of macro, a plan and a dream) as soon as 1300 MMR.
Casuals play custom maps in War3. If you want to play around at bronze/silver, and stay there without being eviscerated each game, only SC2 can give you this experience.
And to think that the game has just come out.
What would have happened to the new players. would they have come looking to see the trailer’s cinematics and when they saw anything else would they have left?
XD
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I think the new players did the campaign, and, then, when they saw the no-ladder 1v1 disconnecting or joinbugging every 2 games, they left. As you can’t quantify your progression and crashing 5 times in a row is soulcrushing.
The awful bugs of the first month must have cost a lot of players to the game.
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It is the very thing that killed Heros.
I remember when heros came out that we were all 5 friends or if we are going to leave Lol and play heros.
But it didn’t connect well. So we left it for a long time. When it began to connect well we were no longer 5 and so it was losing strength until it died.
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The game is not anti noob, the current ladder/MMR configuration is.
In fact, they made the game much more noob friendly:
- Overall heroes are buffed, making unit support and creeping easier
- Overall, all races had buffs to t1; making massing t1 units with any race a non-neglectable potent strategy (mass ghouls or fiends, mass rifles, mass hunts/archers, TC HH (especially in team games)
- Adjusting items; ring of protection provides more armor, undead received a new item, cloak now works during the day. This helps players who don’t know much yet about the items; all are relatively fine to keep instead of sell compared to pre-changes to this.
- If you can’t win, there is a high probability your enemies will just drop out of the game due to desyncs
- No matter how experienced someone is; when playing in reforged settings: nobody can see what is going on, nullifying pretty much all micro from all sides.
- Moonwells give more mana, fortification for burrows is now t2, spike barricade has been ‘easified’ and such small changes to make it a little bit easier as less trade offs need to be considered actively to utilize such changes
If I compare this to AoE; AoE has more resources and they are more decentralized over the map. Total army sizes can be bigger in AoE, you can assign one object to multiple groups in Wc, not in AoE.
But yes I agree; it is a pain. Me as one of grubby his viewers, b2w and many games in late Frozen Throne I feel the same: we play AT and if we exclude the games where people are desyncing we pretty much have a 99% winrate. Which means others teams, versus us, have a 1% winrate. Frankly, neither of the sides is fun to be on; although the latter is even worse than the former.
Warcraft 3 has never been and hopefully will never be a casual RTS game. And that is one main reason for its popularity. There are tons of RTS, easy as hell, but they just … boring.
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the issue is not that the game is easy.
but to be able to play against other noobs.
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this game consists of NOOBS only at this point. i havnt had a single decent challenging game for the last months…
Don’t you use the fan ladder?
Nah he wants to complain about how good he is and how noob everyone is but he’s actually scared to play the ladder where all the good players are…
Also, yeah this is pretty much true. There are some actual beginners on the regular versus mode, but more often it’s people who just want to cheese and not be playing the type of competition on w3c.
Seems these players are also quite a bit more toxic than w3c players so it’s not the greatest time to be a noob
I’ve played from release - 2005, and then off an on since then. The most frustrating thing about the current environment is how n00b is thrown in the 2v2 games I’ve been playing by players that are actually lacking themselves. Whether it be lack of coordination, lack of pushes, etc. I laughed out loud after losing a game tonight when my ally literally said “stop… man… back… let me get chimeras first” and then proceeded to call me a n00b when that strategy didn’t work. Or my other game when I was trying to help my ally creep and was told “stop stealing my xp u n00b!”
Most of the ppl playing have been playing for like 20years.
The easiest thing you could do to get relevant practice in to match their skill is start out with simple effective tactics, and get comfortable.
Play Human, go Archmage+FireLord with summoned units compensating for your average or less than average micro and build orders.
Learn the basics of militia creeping and fast expanding.
Once your comfortable with that, start changing things up.
human is by far the easiest race to play well though.
and as a result is the best race to ease into mastering micro and macroplay.