I hear some parts of the original WC3 story has been retconned because of WoW? What exactly?
- Legion retconned most of TFT Night Elf campaign and to some extent WC2.
The Broken Isles used to be an archipelago raised by Gul’dan, exposing the ruins of Suramar covered by a fresh jungle.
Now Gul’dan only raised a part called the Broken Shore on an already existing continent and Suramar is not in ruin but was covered by a magic shield and Maiev never noticed. Some dialogues will need to be rewritten if they want to completely retcon the place, as well as most assets. - With the whole draenei=eredars thing, Akama became a Broken (stage 2 fel-draenei) and they have a different model
- Blackrock Orcs are now Black instead of standard green. This was initially chosen in WoW to make them easier to distinguish as “evil” for all the dungeons, raids and quest hubs.
- Demons are not dead unless killed in the Twisting Nether. That’s the biggest one IMO, because the deaths of Mannoroth and Archimonde become quite ridiculous.
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The last one was the only major retcon, in my opinion. Other than that, I think it’s fine.
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If it’s just graphics, I’m okay with it. I mean, I’d rather #nochanges, but I can live with blackrock orcs being black.
On the other hand, if they start implying Mannoroth is not killed by Grom Hellscream, nope. That cutscene was awesome, and even though Legion decided it was not final, I want to see the scene as it originally was. Because it was great.
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This is not a retcon but a small censorship done to do the game, the opening cinematic at the end in Reign of Chaos showed the human hand to not be attached to the body, however in the reforged cinematic it is shown attached to the body.
The cinematic for Mannoroth wouldn’t change at all, he dies same way in Warlords of Draenor, he simply gets resurrected by Gul’dan later on.
Well yes, because in the WoW lore, demons can’t truly be killed that way. Mention that, and a lot of Warcraft 3 scenes lose their punch: Varimathras is reluctant to kill Balnazzar because… it will mildly inconvenience him? How convenient that Mal’ganis was not resurrected by any other demon, so they don’t learn Ner’zhul has betrayed them until it’s too late.
It’s one thing to arbitrarily say “all demons are back for Legion”, quite an other to shoe these things back in Warcraft 3.
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most of the story is the same might some dialogs for the broken isles/ and some building changes if they happen to look more closer to wow like they did with the entrance of stratholme but the rest its the same
Doesn’t matter, only a complete idiot would consider WoW canon.
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I agree but the developers of Reforged consider WoW canon and want to change Warcraft 3 to fit it. HĂ©las.
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So it sounds like Legion did the bulk of the Warcraft 3 retcons, is there anything else?
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Ok in order:
RoC
Prologue: All ok (the naga witch is clearly Azshara).
Human: all ok, just some detail about northrend and muradin that is not dead and Arthas was try to use the light to save him but the light can’t reach him anymore because of frostmourne. For the first mission need some improvment in the maps.
Undead: all the first mission are not canon. Arthas destroy capital city with an army of undead and in the meantime he found the member of the cult of the damned. He never go to the city with few man. The human are already losing to the undead. The silver hand was the last forces (Garithos took the rest AFTER they lose) and Arthas destroy them. The silvermoon assault they reforged silvermoon and “canonise” the death of sylvanas but Arthas was able to win because:
1)He capture Nathanos that give him information (not an elf).
2) Dar’khan drathin betray the elf and tell Arthas about the key. He help him pass the magical barrier and cut the link from the sunwell. Without him Arthas will never reach the sunwell. Then he kill him but he drank from the sunwell and so he can resurrect. After silvermoon sylvanas follow Arthas and try to tease him when Arthas is lost in his thought about Jaina. All the rest Is canon.
3)they need to put at least some Cutescene for anasterian. He fifth Arthas in the frozen bridge and at least lend a blow on invincible.
Orcs: Geografically they need to change everything. The Tauren follow thrall after they help them reach Mulgore and they follow even during the battle of mount Hijal. All the rest is canon but there are a lot to fix in terms of terrain.
Night elf: The new lore state that not all the male are druid so some male are in the sentinel army. But only AFTER the third war(because first there are only female but after that the lost so much unit that the male replace a lot of the lost unit. Yes Tyrande was feminist enougth to dot let man under the sentinel). So they need to put some male archer and hunters in the army. A lot of maps need to fix according to WoW map. When Medivh talk about his past they need to add Garona that was presente during his death. But I’m fine that now they put a captain and a mage (clearly Lothar and Khadgar).
TFT:
Night elf: All the broken isle need to be fixed. In WoW legion they remade all the isle so when Maiev said “this is suramar” is impossible because suramar was protected by a magical barrier by the nigthborne. They even add the high mountain Tauren. The vrykul of stromhein, the druid of val’shara, the ghost of the court of farondis in azuna etc. When they met kael’thas They shouldn’t be in nice terms. Tyrande exile they’r ancestor.
Human: All the dalaran scenario need to be fix according to the WoW lore map. Akama guide a group of broken, not the lost ones. During the final cinematic they cut Kil’jaden movement when he watch kael and Vashj and they don’t make illidan kneel in submission.
Undead: all the first mission need some “scarlet crusade” because was a persistente presence there. All the maps need some work. Sylvanas coup was made from standard forsaken, normal troop and nerher have crip fiend, necromancer, gargoyle, frozen drake etc. She only have banshee, normal troops and meat wagon. She always play by possession and with strategy. They need a new units for her part. The final battle between Arthas and illidan army need some work.
1)Arthas vs kael’thas need a specific Cutescene where kael use felo’melor. The blade that was of his father and Arthas shattered during the silvermoon siege. Now that is reforged Kael nearly March Arthas for some time.
2)Illidan stomped Arthas for all the fight, Arthas never stood a chance. Only when illidan was overconfident the lich king give him all the power he had and give him the opportunity to lend a blow for win the fight but he not kill illidan. He just made him unconscious.
Orc: Theramore need a huge upgrade.
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Shadowland now retcon all the lich king story. Because he change who create the elm and frostomourne.
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So what’s the point of playing Warcraft 3’s campaign when so much of it is retconned?
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You’ve got it backwards. Why following the WoW lore when we have the retcon-free Warcraft 3 campaign ? =)
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Oh did W3Reforged retcon WoW?
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No, it’s the same story as it has always been. Which is why you should play it! 
Nah War3Reforged retconned WoW, WoW needs to be updated now 
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It’s a far better story than anything that has come in WoW, even if WoW’s lore is the official canon.
WoW has suffered from a combination of “let’s make all the recognizable characters we can into loot pinatas for raids”, rule of cool, and the PC is the hero of the universe depending on which era you look at.
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only a complete idiot cares about stuff I don’t care about!! nice statement bro