the moment you consider education as an industry you are creating ignorance…
but what you said can be applied to many other kind of industries…
Indeed and they should have kept going with a simple reconnection button that in 2020 still didn’t happen…
Wait, WC3 is not the only Blizzard game, they already have a massive flow of money coming from other games to invest and those are games that work just fine.
I assume no one actually has the answer. But you can’t compare tech/bay/valley salaries without knowing total comps, Amazon in Seattle caps around 160k…you know before stocks and other things that drive salaries up to 300-600k.
But no matter what drivel has been passed around on here, software engineers are not on the list of jobs people are “barely scraping by” or “unable to put food on the table”. Nor is it overly amazingly hard to switch jobs at the moment (my employer has over 300 job postings right now…). The industry is hiring, it’s always hiring, sometimes I think the main qualification is the ability to breath. (Realistically being able to pass a drug test might be a bigger problem for some people…) and if your a US citizen? Number of jobs for people willing to get clearance? Even higher. Companies will let you start remotely, they will pay relocation fees, etc.
Oh you might have to look outside the GAME industry, sure that part is true. But don’t worry your little head, CSC degrees are not going to be a waste anytime soon.
They spat on that goodwill by releasing a grossly unfinished product and taking away the product that WAS finished in the process. They deserve none.
Too many degrees for too many jobs that would require 5 years of experience instead of 5 years of studies. So you end up wasting 5 years of studies to just be a programmer. Add that the manager is usually someone with a degree in communications rather than logic whose only role is to keep you quiet and exploit your work as much as possible.
Then Reforged happens^^
Once again if you think you can’t make 80k straight out of college with a CSC and over six figures a couple years later you are looking in the wrong place.
Jobs are aplenty.
(Maybe not in I assume a EU country given the 5 years for undergrad vs 4. EU salaries do suck compared to the US ones in CSC from what I have looked at, but have never seriously considered moving enough to look at other possible benefits. But my EU friends who went from university jobs there to here make way more in US).
Biggest reason a game dev could feel underpaid is the desire to live in the bay/valley which is amazingly expensive. But it’s not a lack of options. Nothing wrong with wanting a city life, you just give up somethings your peers outside of the bay/valley get.
What I mean is, you don’t even need a degree in CS if you want to be a programmer. Just get 5 (or 4 or whatever) years of experience in a similar industry that you are aiming for. Companies always need workforce and a programmer is usually considered nothing more than a bricklayer.
EU salaries depend on which country you live in, they may vary quite a lot.
For some companies I’d agree, but the degree does open up academia and a lot of government type CSC jobs also.
It’s deff not a bad thing to get. Though I would not go to some school paying 30k tuition and 40k room and board to play beer pong on Friday nights to do it. 4 year program at a cheaper (or at least have a good scholarship) and it’s a good investment for the doors that open.
Also helps if you take advantage of the contacts you make at school. I got my job 100% because my primary professor made a phone call for me. I think a lot of students go to class and do well, but forget to use the relationships they make to help them get ahead.
It’s all about luck. You can encounter the one that makes the call or the one that receives a restriction order to stay away from you during the rest of your academic years^^
Glad you got a good one^^
What I think is, you don’t get your degree to sit down in front of a computer 9-17 6 times a week, to program the pathing algorithm of a game with some premade libraries of the trendy language.
You get it to create the new pathing algorithm. Then someone else will implement it in the trendy language (most probably better than you, cause he spent 5 years working with that while you were studying algorithms).
Problem with reforged is that you can clearly see the goodwill of who coded it and the total lack of direction. It is like when you see those job advertisements about a webdesigner that can code in javascript but is also skilled with photoshop, then he also has to do the server side and ultimately create contents.
Reforged interface has been probably done by coders at the best of their human-machine interaction knowledge.
“The frames slide on your computer?”
“Ye they do”
“Ye ok it’s fine so, good job! Let’s move to the unit damage calculation…”
Ok, government-funded industry in which strikes hold more weight on more people (no education or de facto daycare for kids). That and their union membership is often encouraged or even mandatory. So yes they have unique bargaining power compared to other industries. But you agree that it can apply to other industries.
Well, fair point haha. These days fan projects get more support than Blizzard gives to Warcraft 3. But that’s all the more reason why they should have just left most of what they changed alone in the first place. Don’t fix what’s not broken and if you’re going to change anything, do it right.
For people who bought the original game, it might be worth $15 if they just gave us the optional better graphics and didn’t screw with anything else, aside from general maintenance things like bug fixes, compatibility and quality of life changes. For people who didn’t buy the original game, it could be worth the full $30 since they’re getting a whole game rather than just updated graphics.
But the thing is, they removed core features, messed with and made worse the iconic UI, and created many new bugs and performance issues. It’s bad enough this happened to Reforged, but this was even pushed onto players who didn’t buy Reforged, including the ~30 GB worth of Reforged-only assets.
This is why the Reforged Client and all its changes is not and doesn’t deserve to be called the classic game. It’s Reforged, just without being able to access the better graphics (basically DLC). People who bought the original game would be justified in thinking that Reforged made their game decrease in value, and not want to condone Blizzard’s/Activision’s actions by giving them more money (or just for better graphics).
Oh right thank you for pointing it out. For StarCraft they at least offer you the Anthology Version for free. For WarCraft III you have to pay Reforged to get the Classic Experience if you do not buy yourself the CDs somewhere used.
(Do not buy them seperate from each other. I made the mistake to think I could just buy for my RoC Version a lone TFT Copy. The Disc is not able to find the installed RoC Version.)
Ye, that’s exactly the case
Isn’t it crazy that the company that made World of Warcraft the most successful game of all time which made the company billions upon billions of dollars somehow has gotten to the point where they can’t even pay their employees a competitive wage? They should unionize. All programmers should. What’s taking them so long to figure this out?
Well somewhere the 30 Million Dollar for Bobby Kotick need to come from.Honestly if the man would only keep 10% of what he got he could pay 9 workers per year enough for the rest of their lives.
It’s probably a violation of their contract to unionize.
And this is something that must be fixed by country law. It can not be, that the state is letting the people accept wage slaving because they are not allowed to have someone fighting for them. But we digress. Or is it disgress?
Whatever it is we’re doing, we’re not necessarily disagreeing. However there’s also a bigger picture to consider here. Being forced to pay people more here will just force these companies to move even more of their operations abroad. We can’t afford that.
We’d basically have to make it illegal for our companies to operate outside of the country in any form or fashion before we can start making it mandatory to allow unions. The consequences that could have, while morally sound on paper, may very well be disastrous and send this economy reeling, which doesn’t do anyone any favors except for socialists and communists, and even then only if they’re already in government.