Using the WC3 Engine was a Mistake

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  1. Blizzard decided from DAY ONE to produce Reforged using a modified WC3 engine. Not Grubby nor any other ‘purist’ had anything to do with that.

  2. The only reason you or anyone gets these remasters is BECAUSE of purists demanding them.

  3. You don’t seem to grasp the fundamental concept of what a ‘remaster’ of a game is for. They are specifically for die-hard, purist, old school fans, who want to see a game they used to love given some fan service and a new shiny exterior.

  4. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.

  5. Next time you think about writing a 6000 word essay about how you don’t like a remaster of a game that probably came out when you were in diapers. Guess what? Don’t and save us all some time.

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  1. Game was made with this engine FROM THE BEGINING
    2.This was made for crossplay and so people wouldn’t lose their Custom games and Campaings
    3.Using an old engine while developing Remaster is Exactly what most Remasters do! Check Wikipedia
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Well again the problem is that you cleary waited this game to be something more than it ever really was…, a complete and total remake, instead of of a remaster.

And its exactly like TacoHorse said, without the “purists” to demand them, you would have never seen Starcraft: Remastered, WoW Classic and WC3: Reforged in the first place. Ultimately its the hardcore fanbase of the originals that requested these and its for them these games are mainly targeted for. And thats the way it is with almost all remasters.

And I say again Blizzard would have at NO POINT poured massive amounts of resources and manpower to completely remake Warcraft III, as for example what they did with RE2 or FF VIII Remake. If at any point you were expecting something like that from Blizzard, then you really have been delusional…

At the moment I dont see how Activision-Blizzard would have ANY interest to make new big budget RTS games (you said it yourself, you dont believe in chance of WC IV ever happening), LET ALONE use that much money and time to remake 17 year old RTS game.

So again I dont see how you really have anyone else but yourself to blame for having such unrealistic expectations that you wanted Reforged to be something that it never was going to be in the first place…

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Okay boomer.

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Can’t blame anyone except yourself for having higher expectations than what was clearly shown off as a remake using the same engine and retaining the same gameplay. They even made a very big deal about keeping the gameplay the same, even if the campaign level design and all the graphics were changing.

Did we see Arthas in the demo having new abilities? Did we see a new talent tree? Did we see any of the pathing change in the Culling demo? No we did not. There was absolutely no reason to assume the gameplay would change when everything we were shown was clearly a remaster in spirit.

Using the SC2 engine would not remake this game. The pathing is a big part of how WC3 plays, and you can’t take that away without calling this game something else entirely.

And if that’s what you want, there are SC2 mods that do that for you.

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You are right completely about the Grubby argument. I have been listening to some of his streams when reforged was announced back in 2018 and when i figured out that the guy is a total hack that is stuck in the past and doesnt even have a clue how well this game would have been with some tweaks here and there, BUT NO the guy is against any change even a small one like tweaking ( not changing ) pathfinding so that units dont get scrambled that much and unit inteligence so that when you send them somewhere they dont take a longer path to go where they are suppose to. When i saw some of his complaints about the models i was like yeah ofc they are not going to look the same like they did back in 2003 genius because they are going in a different more realistic direction this time and thats when i stopped taking him seriously but unfortunately Blizz did.

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the guy is a total hack that is stuck in the past and doesnt even have a clue how well this game would have been with some tweaks here and there

https://www.wowhead.com/news=288379/wowhead-interview-with-warcraft-iii-reforged-team-at-blizzcon-2018

Blizzard: The main focus of the team is laser-cut fidelity with the original Warcraft III experience.

Blizzard: Improvements to gameplay will be carefully analyzed. The main focus is to preserve the Warcraft III experience.

Blizzard: The game uses the same base engine as the original Warcraft III, including the same AI. Everything to preserve the experience.

Sounds more like he’s one of the few people actually paying attention.

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Using the same engine was mandatory for crossplay between classic and reforged, but moreover, the most important part was the compatibility with custom maps made over the years, and there are plenty of famous maps that kept the game alive.

So sorry, but using the WC3 engine for Reforged was the best choice.

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Are you able to understand why they did it? just think a little bit deeper.

They did it because of the purists, they are the ones who would immediatly go back to the old game if anything on the new game was different then what they are already used to.

We (most people) that don’t really play the original anymore too much, we wanted a revamped and fresh engine, a true remake.

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2018 and 2019 use the same engine.
And probably, after all of these threads since 2019 Blizzcon - They will change it. Maybe even that was the reason game is delayed now, for “Higher Standards”

Warcraft Reforged was never a remake, so sure - they can use the slightly updated engine from 2018, but not a new engine and I respect that

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Changing the shape and action of the unit model is the biggest mistake.

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Are you able to understand why they did it? just think a little bit deeper.

They did it because of the purists, they are the ones who would immediatly go back to the old game if anything on the new game was different then what they are already used to.

We (most people) that don’t really play the original anymore too much, we wanted a revamped and fresh engine, a true remake.

The only reason Reforged even exists today, is because of the community who liked the original game so much, they stuck around for the last 2 decades to keep playing it while “most people” abandoned it for something else.

The “purists” you speak of, is the reason you’re even on this forum talking about this. You should thank them… for dedicating so much of their life to convince Blizzard the game is worth even revisiting at all…

The “purists” and community representatives don’t want the game changed, because unlike you, they actually like the original game, and it’s actually pretty offensive to them, when people like you come here and spit on them, while you were away doing something else, they were here supporting the game.

Reforged is a remaster, and nothing else. Get over it… It’s not changing.

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The fps is also so low

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this is a troll post and grubby plays reforged dude you must b new here lol

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We (most people) that don’t really play the original anymore too much, we wanted a revamped and fresh engine, a true remake.

That’s fine and dandy, but Reforged is not a revamped or fresh engine or a true remake, so there’s no reason making a complaint out of it not being what it was never meant to be.

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Look up synonyms for “forged.” You can’t blame people for expecting a remake with Warcraft 3 REFORGED.

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Sure you can.

Those people did no research beyond looking at a word and interpreting what they want to see rather than take the moment to see what it actually is.

The 2018 Demo was absolutely clear that the gameplay was left completely unchanged. Any dev interview released that time repeats that same message.

No one else can be blamed for someone’s choice to draw conclusions and not do their research. It’s even more ridiculous pointing fingers at Grubby for this.

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No they didn’t.

  1. No one ever said they should use the original engine.

  2. Your entire “argument” is a joke, based on 1. which is wrong to begin with.

  3. “Purist” are the fans of this game. Not WoW babies.

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Reforged exists as it is today because of the the purists, as you said the community has been asking for a remake for years, but community doesn’t mean just hardcore players, in fact most of the community play the game casually.

I for instance have watched the tournaments and contributed to twitch streamers.

We like the original game, but nothing is perfect, Warcraft 3 could be improved in so many ways and actually become a real fresh game to attract new players.

I just think it’s sad that the hardcore/purists think W3 is a perfect game and fear changes so much.

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And I think it’s sad someone with no evidence, who doesn’t work for Blizzard, and has zero inside information, is going around pretending like he knows what went on behind closed doors, and pretends to represent a community when nobody elected him a community representative.

This community has real representatives with reputations. They spoke, and they have leverage.

You have no leverage here, and no evidence to backup anything you’re saying. Stop talking as if you represent anyone but yourself, and 1 single opinion, which you’re allowed to have, but it’s wrong.

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