Anyone got tips for a new player? So far it feels like to play this game even at a filthy casual level you gotta be a major sweatlord. I’m having a hard time micromanaging the RTS and MOBA sides of the game together. Anyone got any pointers?
Yes uninstall and go play tetris lmao.
They broke half of custom maps now mapmakers have to do so much fking work to fix them.
Every single TD map for example got fked.
How are they borked? I haven’t played enough on them prior to know.
my advice is to play the campaign on at least Normal and play some custom games against the AI. You’re not going to beat real players if you can’t beat the AI.
Just ignore the guy above, he isn’t even talking about the regular game. It’s unfortunate but it should have been expected that a major patch might cause issues with custom games.
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They added option for custom portrait of selected unit and it. And it defaulted to the original unit.
In td maps most stuff is just edited watch tower, so anything you click on has portrait of watch tower, they gotta manually fix this for every unit…
and every map using SLK file system simply doesnt load models, for example hellhalt td is completely unplayable
I don’t really care about tower defense. I mainly plan to play ladder matches. It’s just as soon as I get into a MP match I get rushed by either a level 1 thrall with ghost wolves or level 3 blademaster and even if I rush altar first and get a hero out ASAP it’s still not enough because by the time I get one out, focusing on JUST getting an altar down immediately, they’re at my base at level 2 before they’re even done spawning it feels.
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This is very common tactics. But it’s entirely beatable if you learn and prepare for it.
Especially with Orcs, these are very predictable opening plays. Just assume they’re going to do it and build your base to give your side the advantage in a rush situation.
LOts of newbie players love to just tech straight to the high level units, but really, that’s something that only happens if you’re evenly matched to the opponent and the battle lasts long enough for that to happen- which it wont if you don’t build a good base layout and build units quickly at the start.
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Does the tactic have a name? I’m trying to look up videos on how to counter it or defend against it but everything comes up “How to defend against 3 peasant tower rush!” and not what I’m running into.
After I read the first unfortunate response, I had to jump in here. I have kept all you wrote in mind below and want to help.
@CaptainJack is correct. It is extremely recommended. (start at Vanilla Campaign, “Prologue” or “Scourge of Lordaeron”, use Classic graphics mode ← really recommended - it makes you get used to all the models and effects)
Don’t underestimate the depth of the game (mechanics, knowledge), the campaign did a really good job of teaching the game mechanics and in a very fun way, it gets progressively more difficult per race - heroes are very important and you will use them alot during the campaign stock on special items and so on. Just at the start of each race it will start slow because of new race mechanics, which is IMO well made and also so special in warcraft 3 - so pay attention that one time, implement it into your brain. But even I enjoyed every bit of it at the start of this year, just seeing how well Vanilla was made gave me the goosebumps.
Campaign really captures the game’s atmosphere and makes playing melee or any custom maps that mod melee (not just “fun maps”) so much more fun, too: When you can connect to any characters. Some do that religiously. And TBH if you don’t like wc3’s campaign then why are you even here - it is the Melee mode basically but at progressive level, it’s really what made it all big and why ppl love the game. Let me tell you it’s really worth the “time”; actually it’s not much time at all and pretty short in the end compared to how much time you will spend with the whole game… Again campaign is an amazing (rather quick, sweet) hike.
FYI:
Vanilla (RoC) is much easier than the Addon (The frozen throne), that’s why some even recommend to start it at HARD already. More compelling, this is what I read some had fun with, though I personally wouldn’t as a new/mid player because then you have less time (or nerves haha) for atmosphere and story elements.
Small overview of the campaign:
Vanilla = Reign of Chaos (RoC), it’s the first 4 books (after the Prologue). Reforged didn’t make that very clear at all unfortunately. You can start them at HARD if you will, but if you have to restart other than in the later missions - Normal will be just as fine (IMO better for first time, but I respect what other wonderful beings told me, so I deliver the information):
- The Scourge of Lordaeron (Human)
- Path of the Damned (Undead)
- The_Invasion_of_Kalimdor (Orc)
- Eternity’s End (Nightelf)
Theoretically you could start with any race that you are interested in, gameplay wise the experience is on the same difficulty, but of course story wise it makes sense to start at the Scourge of Lordaeron.
The Addon: The Frozen Throne (TfT) are the final books: I personally recommend a pause between RoC and TfT… In addition keep in mind TfT is designed or at least perceived as harder, because when it released the game was more known and “figured out”. So only start TfT at Normal by all means. (unless you feel like it duh):
- Terror_of_the_Tides (Sentinel campaign, Nightelf)
- Curse_of_the_Blood_Elves (Alliance, Human)
- Legacy of the Damned (Scourge, Undead)
- Bonus campaign: The_Founding_of_Durotar (mostly a teaser for World of Warcraft, so this is the only one that I wouldn’t do at first)
Final tips:
PS - Tip:
Anyways what ever you do - I felt to point it out, since it’s such a great fun introduction - to having played your main race’s campaign(s) at least!
PPS - Tip: Self helping map: WTii’s unit tester. If you want to figure any thing (…), this lets you do it in a matter of seconds or minutes. Even after years, you can try some micro stuff there fast whenever you have a question or want to try a particular micro or combination… Solo map, but you can also play it with a friend(s) for advanced stuff (…), more indepth again than it looks at first.
By the way: Just playing the way that is still-fun-to-you at the start is the best “training”: Again campaign extremely good (basics of everything!), then Vs insane AI (as CaptainJack hinted at, the next capstone) or with a friend vs 3-4 AI’s (lesser dif) can be the fastest learning because you can methodically try out the stuff, that you eventually want to master in rougher areas, in a stable environment. As opposed to ladder first, which is like learning swimming in the middle of the atlantic ocean or bicycling on the highway!
PPPS - Tip: One final secret for the time afterwards: Your-own-replays, period. Very powerful tool, that will answer most of your questions when climbing - there you have time to observe the details of you AND your enemy: the hero levels, items, army compositions, and how stuff unfold from the beginning - i.e. compare yourself to enemy’s progress, movements, creepjacks etc, you learn much faster with this than only playing or watching videos by ppl that just want viewers; instead for high level users there are actual written guides. “Tricks” from videos are just icing on the cake for the clicks basically (= worthless without knowing the rest of the game). But I certainly watch some for enjoyment every now and again of course! By the way: Reforged actually added one great feature, a better fast-forward in replays: 64x (it was 8x max before).
To conclude , believe me strong basics are everything in wc3 and it’s also the most fun way to play the game in any environment - like a great hobby that you don’t need to rush or get over with… - I gave you all the tools above.
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its just called rushing
Every race has some tool to deal with early attacks.
But the first step is making sure you get your first hero the same the opponent does or close to it, so that you have them when they get there.
Humans have militia to help you fend off the attack. This works but you have to pay attention and pull the unit the other guy is targeting away to avoid losing any. this is called micro and it’s really the key to the entire game. You don’t just throw your units at an enemy blindly, you need to pay attention to them and when they get targeted, you pull just that one unit back- the enemy either has to give chase and take more damage from you, or let it run away, leaving you with no losses.
Night elves have detonate on wisps which takes mana away from the opponent’s hero and dispel things like the orc farseer’s wolves, and you also have moon wells to help you outlast them. You do lose wisps by detonating them, but the effect is powerful and wisps are cheaper than other workers.
Orcs have peons that can go into burrows to make them towers, this is straight forward. Pop peons in and aout of the burrow to repair it if needed.
Undead’s food buildings are easily upgraded in to towers, and ghouls are both lumber harvesters and offensive units, so UD always has at least one or two handy. These are stronger than the other workers.
Basically you just need a good handle of your chosen race’s mechanics, and the rest is just predicting how your opponent will behave and responding accordingly.
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Best advice is to watch grubby n00b tutorials on youtube. He’ll teach you the basics. Watch plenty of “build order” replays/tutorials and then play against the AI computer on custom game to practice micro and creeping.
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Play the campaigns. Download some custom campaigns after that. Go for custom games. You want melee games? Play with some friends, don’t waste your time with ladder matches.
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Let’s add - cause of the new 2.0 feedback everywhere:
To the point: There is no Matchmaking - so while we gave many play-tips they all wouldn’t help so much, I concluded: Best tip is to find likeminded players on one of the many fan-Discords, and play/train vs them. Make some friends. And again don’t forget AI games: 1vs 1 AI can be great to start with, you both can also do 2 vs 4 AI to have more adventure and application of your build - golden tip. As long as you aren’t “decent” in all the basics I absolutely recommend it - it’s all exciting as you figure cool stuff (abuse heroes and micro for instance) and as long as you aren’t owning the bots constantly. Try new builds or units-combinations.
Before reforged: The “play-the-campaign” was the first tip, so it’s basically melee and is progressive fun challenging you more over time also delivering some of the epic charm, and ladder is simply the advancement of that epic experience! ← But nowadays? Ladder is not the recommended continuation. Because no matter what (bad) your stats are when playing ladder, you will be matched randomly - thanks to Blizzard “reforging” the game (yes still in 2.0). Like I very often get teams of really strong players in the enemy team (I’m not that good in comparison) while my allies are at most average, this causes fun for the pros and only frustration for the rest, especially new players.
In other words: Back then you would get ~50% win rate even as a worse than avg player and have fun!, Nowadays you get rather bad stats because you will keep facing pro players, so of course for example 2-10 even with standard play, etc is no surprise. This is a simple result of missing matchmaking, Idk why some people are oblivious of this problem - I guess we all live in old times (including myself somehow). I’d pay a subscription TBH for a decent system (this is fair considering lower playerbase!). But let’s face it: This is the current main problem, so tips should evolve around it.
That being said you can have really unique fun in the game - and relive the many epic scenes you see in videos or pro-games, with the ways described above. There are also some cool melee-deluxe maps for extra MELEE-adventure: :I.e.: Hometown.w3x (custom melee map) ← I searched that map name just for you (from my test it works well) - you find in the web, enjoy. Can play vs a friend or just as team and progress.
Grubby has a lot of videos on YouTube for helping players be more competitive on ladder. Back to Warcraft has a great site that links to all sorts of tutorials and videos. There is also the website Warcraft Gym that has a lot of great tutorials.