Just replaying the new Reforged campaign - where are the ballista and catapults? I thought glaive throwers and demolishers weren’t until TFT? :<
Yeah, every unit has Frozen Throne stats and models in the campaign, even the RoC campaigns. Grunts cost 200 gold for example, not 235.
I wonder if future balance changes will apply as well, they didn’t in the original.
It happened back then Blizzard was super afraid of copyright. So in The Frozen Throne expansion they changed the skin and name of several units.
Sadly they shut down RoC server so they do not want to include a battle system and @copyright-scary units which not used in multiplayer anymore.
Copyright of what? Catapults and ballistae are… historic mechanisms?
Careful with those longbow or the British might sue you for copyright.
One of the origins of it the accusation of Warcraft being too similar to Warhammer.
They went overboard with it. Afraid of using a historical siege weapon name due to copyright.
Catapult->Demolisher
Wyvern Rider->Wind Rider
Steamtank(Warhammer unit name)->Siege Engine
Gyrocopter(Warhammer unit name)->Flying Machine
Ballista->Glaive Thrower
I know this from one of Abelhawk’s video on youtube.
Ew.
I just miss having those alternate models (especially for map making). I think Steamtanks, Catapults, and Ballista are definitely different models. Wind Riders and Flying Machines are just renames?
flying machines are different models. Look up the gyrocopter models. They are really goofy looking.
Yes in Reforged. However pre-Reforged you were able to use in your map Reign of Chaos or The Frozen Throne any model file version. It was your choice.
Now there are only blood elven versions for the Priest and Sorceress; even lore wise it does not make any sense ( just laziness). They used to have High Elf version.
Yes those are different models including Flying Machine; Gyrocopter has a large propeller and two side turbine engines meanwhile Flying Machine has two side propellers beside zero supporting turbine. That is the difference beside Flying machine is smaller and has way lower stats.
Actually the Ballista was stronger in Reign of Chaos than the Glaive Thrower unit in The Frozen Throne.
Wind Rider is a simple rename. Same price, stats, look.
Worth to mention the Lich Hero/Kel’Thuzad had also slightly different look in Reign of Chaos beside usage of the different hero icon.
I also miss Reign of Chaos; I wonder why it is hard to let people choose they want to play Reign of Chaos or The Frozen Throne version in campaign/meele/custom games just as in Starcraft: Remaster the player able. The switch button was already there before…
The difference is the engine which makes able fly the Flying Machine in art design. Otherwise in other parts they are identical.
I guess it is matter of taste: I prefer the Gyrocopter appearance beside in RoC it was more useful.
Ps: I would gladly link pictures but links are not allowed to use…
Pretty disappointing that they cut things out for (essentially) no reason. :<
I thought they settled that in the late 90’s. I highly Doubt GW is going through a hissy fit about unit naming in a failed remake.
Yes. You are right. I just shared the background story of these units. In the case of Reforged they were lazy/did not have resource to make additional models for RoC units.
I hope in even worst case the Swordsman, Priest, Sorceress, Archer, Blood Elf Worker will get High Elf variants for campaigns and custom maps.
Looking like they just removed all RoC units and combined due to lowered usage of RoC tournaments? Based on latest developer post.
I’d love to just have a reforged model available for all RoC units too.
I’m ok with only TFT units for comp multiplayer, I get it, balancing and all that… But I agree RoC models and pricing should stay consistent for campaign, and there should be an option for bot/custom matches.